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worldfamoussam · 16 July 2017, 09:36 PM

Hey,

Looking for a second watch. While I really wanted a WG DD to go with my YG DD, I decided to go for variety.

Considering a steel submariner with black dial. Want something that is a little sportier than my DD and trying to decide what I'd like to do. I am so used to wearing yellow gold (have always had TT datejusts and now a yellow DD) that I'm not sure whether to go with a steel sub, or a s&g sub.

Also not sure whether to do new/used. I know that there is something special about the current model (ceramic bezel?) but haven't done enough research on the different references to know what they mean.

Can anybody shed some light for me on what I should be looking for here? Is it worth buying used for a discount (I saved a ton on a 18038 vs. a new DD36) or do these hold their value so well that it doesn't matter?

Marcus09 · 16 July 2017, 09:56 PM

I personally went for the iconic sub which is the no date Sub (ref 114060) aka the orignal model. Clean symmetric dial, great feeling, instant classic. Here's mine bought this week.

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tyler1980 · 16 July 2017, 10:15 PM

Since you were already considering PM with a WG DD i would vote WG sub. Its by far my favorite sub. You get a sporty watch ( which is what you are looking for) and still have it be PM

travisb · 16 July 2017, 10:19 PM

Grab a pre-loved 114060 for under 6k.

JohnLT · 16 July 2017, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by tyler1980

Since you were already considering PM with a WG DD i would vote WG sub. Its by far my favorite sub. You get a sporty watch ( which is what you are looking for) and still have it be PM

I say Smurf also. You only have two choices in black SS. Cant go wrong with either.

worldfamoussam · 16 July 2017, 10:34 PM

So to be sure I understand (smurf out of budget) - the SS sub hasn't changed in a long time so if I go get any one with a date it will be about the same as the current one?

JohnLT · 16 July 2017, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by worldfamoussam

So to be sure I understand (smurf out of budget) - the SS sub hasn't changed in a long time so if I go get any one with a date it will be about the same as the current one?

as long as its a 6 digit reference, exactly the same.

traf · 16 July 2017, 10:59 PM

The new subs have ceramic bezels and glidelock clasps. Also completely solid bracelets. I would say if you’re hell bent on two tone, get it preowned from a trusted seller on here

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slide13 · 16 July 2017, 11:07 PM

I went with the 114060, just a simple, classic Sub. Love it!

I'd say go for that, for about $6k you can get a nice one. If you need a date get an 116610. And if you decide you want TT go with the Bluesy 116613. All good options! The 114060 is the simplest, cheapest, and mos tradtional. Great classic sport watch.

padi56 · 16 July 2017, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by worldfamoussam

Hey,

Looking for a second watch. While I really wanted a WG DD to go with my YG DD, I decided to go for variety.

Considering a steel submariner with black dial. Want something that is a little sportier than my DD and trying to decide what I'd like to do. I am so used to wearing yellow gold (have always had TT datejusts and now a yellow DD) that I'm not sure whether to go with a steel sub, or a s&g sub.

Also not sure whether to do new/used. I know that there is something special about the current model (ceramic bezel?) but haven't done enough research on the different references to know what they mean.

Can anybody shed some light for me on what I should be looking for here? Is it worth buying used for a discount (I saved a ton on a 18038 vs. a new DD36) or do these hold their value so well that it doesn't matter?

Well first you can only get one dial in the SS sub and thats black, or Sub date black dial/bezel or green dial/bezel 116610LV as for the ceramic being special thats down to opinions. In the real world its just a slither of very expensive ceramic to replace if needed.The 16610 sub date has changed very little since its launch way back in 1988 with the cal 3135.Now we have the 116610 ceramic different style case and bracelet, but still uses the cal 3135, but now with the inhouse escapement parts but no big deal there.The 14060 Sub again has changed very little over the years around 2000 the change from the cal 3000 to the cal 3130 into the 14060M the M stands for modified movement.Late 14060M were COSC tested and will have certified chronometer on the dial but exactly the same movement as the non tested model.And now we have the ceramic 114060M which is now basically a 116610 without the date complication.

AK797 · 16 July 2017, 11:22 PM

Go for a TT on your way to this... you know you want to...

The Libertine · 17 July 2017, 12:08 AM

Submariner would be my choice over the Submariner Date.

Muzz · 17 July 2017, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by AK797

Go for a TT on your way to this... you know you want to...

Solid advice

worldfamoussam · 17 July 2017, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by The Libertine

Submariner would be my choice over the Submariner Date.

Hey - thanks ... can you tell me why? I feel like the date is such an integral function to a watch for me - which is why I haven't seriously considered the Daytona over the Sub. But it seems like a lot of people prefer it sans date. Is this an aesthetic question or a function one?

Sub King · 17 July 2017, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by worldfamoussam

Hey - thanks ... can you tell me why? I feel like the date is such an integral function to a watch for me - which is why I haven't seriously considered the Daytona over the Sub. But it seems like a lot of people prefer it sans date. Is this an aesthetic question or a function one?

I prefer the Submariner for two reasons: first of all, I think the clean and symmetrical dial leads to a more aesthetically pleasing watch.

Second of all, I like the way it pays homage to the original Submariner, since the Submariner Date was not available until many years after it had been in production.

Marcus09 · 17 July 2017, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Sub King

I prefer the Submariner for two reasons: first of all, I think the clean and symmetrical dial leads to a more aesthetically pleasing watch.

Second of all, I like the way it pays homage to the original Submariner, since the Submariner Date was not available until many years after it had been in production.

This!

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zama · 17 July 2017, 11:24 PM

Go big as they say a WG blue smurf or if you must YG blue dial...... nothing wrong with a TT but if you wanted a DD might as well stay in the gold camp. Buy second hand is my tip.

bjr011 · 17 July 2017, 11:37 PM

Submariner date for me!! I prefer the date function since I wear the watch daily.

G'ed · 17 July 2017, 11:46 PM

I flipped a lot and came to this. SubC Date, SD4000, DSSD, Hulk, SubC Date again and finally THE SUB.

I have a feeling this will stay.

luvan12 · 25 July 2017, 12:28 AM

IMO I would go with the submariner with black dial. It is a classic watch that you can not go wrong with.

watchwatcher · 25 July 2017, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by tyler1980

Since you were already considering PM with a WG DD i would vote WG sub. Its by far my favorite sub. You get a sporty watch ( which is what you are looking for) and still have it be PM

My vote as well. Or a BLRO.

KBM · 25 July 2017, 01:23 AM

Yes, the used ceramic subs will be the same as the watches you'd buy new and yes, they do tendo to hold their value batter than almost everything else in the world of watches.

As for the model, which one makes you skip a beat?

16 July 2017, 09:36 PM	#1
worldfamoussam "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2017 Location: USA Watch: Day Date II Posts: 532	Which steel sub to buy? Hey, Looking for a second watch. While I really wanted a WG DD to go with my YG DD, I decided to go for variety. Considering a steel submariner with black dial. Want something that is a little sportier than my DD and trying to decide what I'd like to do. I am so used to wearing yellow gold (have always had TT datejusts and now a yellow DD) that I'm not sure whether to go with a steel sub, or a s&g sub. Also not sure whether to do new/used. I know that there is something special about the current model (ceramic bezel?) but haven't done enough research on the different references to know what they mean. Can anybody shed some light for me on what I should be looking for here? Is it worth buying used for a discount (I saved a ton on a 18038 vs. a new DD36) or do these hold their value so well that it doesn't matter?

16 July 2017, 09:56 PM	#2
Marcus09 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Batman Location: Gotham City Posts: 1,184	I personally went for the iconic sub which is the no date Sub (ref 114060) aka the orignal model. Clean symmetric dial, great feeling, instant classic. Here's mine bought this week. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________

17 July 2017, 11:24 PM	#17
zama "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Real Name: Craig Location: Sydney Watch: 4 Broken glass Posts: 5,808	Go big as they say a WG blue smurf or if you must YG blue dial...... nothing wrong with a TT but if you wanted a DD might as well stay in the gold camp. Buy second hand is my tip. __________________ Day Date 118206, Daytona 116509 & 116505, AP 25859ST Gone but not forgotten and genuinely missed..... Root Beer GMT, Sub, TT Daytona, YG DD Bark, Datejust(2 his & hers), AP RO, PP Aquanaut, Lange 1, Heuer Monza, Piaget Altiplano, GP Chrono, Seamaster, Tudor Sub, Tudor Chrono, Tudor Black Bay Bronze

17 July 2017, 11:37 PM	#18
bjr011 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: USA Posts: 100	Submariner date for me!! I prefer the date function since I wear the watch daily. Attached Images

16 July 2017, 10:15 PM	#3
tyler1980 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Houston Posts: 17,622	Since you were already considering PM with a WG DD i would vote WG sub. Its by far my favorite sub. You get a sporty watch ( which is what you are looking for) and still have it be PM

16 July 2017, 10:19 PM	#4
travisb 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Travis Location: FL / NYC Watch: Yes.. Posts: 33,489	Grab a pre-loved 114060 for under 6k.

16 July 2017, 10:34 PM	#6
worldfamoussam "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2017 Location: USA Watch: Day Date II Posts: 532	So to be sure I understand (smurf out of budget) - the SS sub hasn't changed in a long time so if I go get any one with a date it will be about the same as the current one?

16 July 2017, 10:59 PM	#8
traf "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Real Name: dave Location: miami Watch: me ride bikes Posts: 1,938	The new subs have ceramic bezels and glidelock clasps. Also completely solid bracelets. I would say if you’re hell bent on two tone, get it preowned from a trusted seller on here Sent from my iPhone 7+ using Tapatalk

16 July 2017, 11:07 PM	#9
slide13 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Here Posts: 1,003	I went with the 114060, just a simple, classic Sub. Love it! I'd say go for that, for about $6k you can get a nice one. If you need a date get an 116610. And if you decide you want TT go with the Bluesy 116613. All good options! The 114060 is the simplest, cheapest, and mos tradtional. Great classic sport watch.

16 July 2017, 11:22 PM	#11
AK797 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Neil Location: UK Watch: ing ships roll in Posts: 59,369	Go for a TT on your way to this... you know you want to...

17 July 2017, 12:08 AM	#12
The Libertine Banned Join Date: May 2014 Real Name: Mike Location: BOS Watch: 16710;14060;214270 Posts: 6,375	Submariner would be my choice over the Submariner Date.

17 July 2017, 11:46 PM	#19
G'ed "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: RolexHQ boardroom Posts: 1,232	I flipped a lot and came to this. SubC Date, SD4000, DSSD, Hulk, SubC Date again and finally THE SUB. I have a feeling this will stay.

25 July 2017, 12:28 AM	#20
luvan12 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Port St. Lucie Posts: 142	IMO I would go with the submariner with black dial. It is a classic watch that you can not go wrong with.

25 July 2017, 01:23 AM	#22
KBM 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: K. Location: 780 Posts: 10,460	Yes, the used ceramic subs will be the same as the watches you'd buy new and yes, they do tendo to hold their value batter than almost everything else in the world of watches. As for the model, which one makes you skip a beat?

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