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GerardoG · 7 September 2017, 03:46 AM

WHAT THE........Please excuse my language and rant, I need to vent........

12:45pm. Here is the story:

Ferdelious · 7 September 2017, 04:00 AM

Did you run out of coffee?

GerardoG · 7 September 2017, 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Ferdelious

Did you run out of coffee?

WHOAAAAA!!! I only meant rant; no coffee is close to end-of the-world!!!!!

GerardoG · 7 September 2017, 04:00 AM

As you remember, a few months ago I agreed to help a business (parters are very close friends of mine) with the parts that were not working right. This is in an industry in which they were -at some point- the absolute leaders and now have fallen to God knows which place. Even on that place, the business has hefty sales, so my initial guess was that the partners had little interest in it.

After many headaches, visits, talking -and then apologizing- to customers, we close a nice job, for a customer for which we did a good job last time but had some issues in the process. This is the PERFECT time to grab the bull by the horns, make it RIGHT and fix, once and for all, the internal problems.

I take EVERYTHING I do personally and either make it the absolute BEST or not make it at all; so I jumped in to lead this new project from the early stages.

We (partners and myself) had agreed to meet today at noon (lunch in Mexico is usually 2pm) followed by lunch; with the clear goal to review plans, finalize budgets and issue initial proposals. With that in mind, I called ALL involved parts (except partners) for a 8:00 am meeting. We spent over two hours reviewing processes, pinpointing problem areas/tasks and fixing a flow chart with deadlines and responsable parties. In the end, a HUGE improvement. We are ready to jump in, with a fresh mindset, and make this OUR INSIGNIA project. THE way to do it; be the BEST or go home.

I thanked everyone, who left with high spirits and eager to do whatever it takes to make the BEST.

Meeting was over, so I went downstairs to grab coffee, back to meeting room (where I am typing this) and wait for the noon meeting.

Well, I just got a Whatsapp from the partners. Not even a call. There are two more ongoing projects, so they decided to go to one of the job-sites to 'check it out', so they cancelled the meeting. Why? Well, because they felt the other job, an ongoing project, was more important.

I reviewed earlier today project costing and profit/loss on some previous jobs, and it is a MESS! They have NO idea how much they make or if they make a profit at all! Some jobs loose money, some have a ridiculous (not even 4%) profit and some have hefty profits....in the end, they have a big cashflow with no idea on how much -if any- they are MAKING. The fact that you see money in the account does not mean you are in the black.

I am furious!!! I agreed to help them with a small pay (this way there should be commitment on both ends....trust me, it is a V E R Y small pay), yet, they just do not care!!!! How the ^*)@#%%@) am I supposed to help and fix??????

Now I understand the root of everything.

Sorry for the rant. I need a tequila. Or two. Wednesday is over. Period.

breitlings · 7 September 2017, 04:16 AM

sorry to hear that. I've had some issues with guys who used to be friends. One just completely tried to ruin my reputation calling me a bullshitter to a bunch of mutual associates in a public forum. In my case it stemmed from a political difference in opinion but Jesus have some balls and talk to me directly; sounds like these guys should have made time for you, even a call.

Dr.Brian · 7 September 2017, 04:16 AM

Sounds like a good opportunity to invest in their competition. They'll drive this one into the ground eventually. Tell them there was a typo and your fee is actually 10x what you quoted. There's a good chance they'll just pay it and head out for a quick 18.

Runnin' Rebel · 7 September 2017, 04:17 AM

The problem was you had a 8am meeting and then used the word Insignia

GerardoG · 7 September 2017, 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by breitlings

sorry to hear that. I've had some issues with guys who used to be friends. One just completely tried to ruin my reputation calling me a bullshitter to a bunch of mutual associates in a public forum. In my case it stemmed from a political difference in opinion but Jesus have some balls and talk to me directly; sounds like these guys should have made time for you, even a call.

Sheez. A simple call, but I guess you have to be INTERESTED to make that call.....

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Originally Posted by Dr.Brian

Sounds like a good opportunity to invest in their competition. They'll drive this one into the ground eventually. Tell them there was a typo and your fee is actually 10x what you quoted. There's a good chance they'll just pay it and head out for a quick 18.

Great advice!

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Originally Posted by Runnin' Rebel

The problem was you had a 8am meeting and then used the word Insignia

....and now, I have to clean the coffee from the meeting room table

(Yes, Mark, I agree!!!!!! 8am and Insignia......it would have been fixed with a glass of wine!!!)

BristolCavendish · 7 September 2017, 04:36 AM

Gerardo. Your exasperation is well understood and kudos to your 'best of intention' efforts.

With the exception of child-rearing and various private/personal issues involving those who are close to us, sometimes a "if it's not important to you, then it's not important to me" attitude/conveyance is the best alternative route.

After all, you don't want to be Atlas carrying the entire world upon your shoulders, especially amongst those who are easily distracted and/or seemingly preoccupied with other 'pertinent issues'.

SearChart · 7 September 2017, 04:53 AM

Breathe in, breathe out. Cut&light a cigar, take a glass of fine wine and relax

fusionstorm · 7 September 2017, 05:02 AM

You should've negotiated an expense account as part of your compensation. Then maxed the heck out of it!

Good luck with this one.......

Laszlo · 7 September 2017, 05:05 AM

That would for sure frustrate me to no end. Hang in there. Your the good guy in the end.

Cobain · 7 September 2017, 05:17 AM

This wouldn't have happened if you wore a Rolex that day.

Runnin' Rebel · 7 September 2017, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Cobain

This wouldn't have happened if you wore a Rolex that day.

That's the real issue right there

GerardoG · 7 September 2017, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by BristolCavendish

Gerardo. Your exasperation is well understood and kudos to your 'best of intention' efforts.

With the exception of child-rearing and various private/personal issues involving those who are close to us, sometimes a "if it's not important to you, then it's not important to me" attitude/conveyance is the best alternative route.

After all, you don't want to be Atlas carrying the entire world upon your shoulders, especially amongst those who are easily distracted and/or seemingly preoccupied with other 'pertinent issues'.

I had not thought on that. Thank you!

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Originally Posted by SearChart

Breathe in, breathe out. Cut&light a cigar, take a glass of fine wine and relax

I WILL!!!!! That is the way to do it!

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Originally Posted by fusionstorm

You should've negotiated an expense account as part of your compensation. Then maxed the heck out of it!

Good luck with this one.......

Thank you!

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Originally Posted by Laszlo

That would for sure frustrate me to no end. Hang in there. Your the good guy in the end.

Gracias!

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Originally Posted by Cobain

This wouldn't have happened if you wore a Rolex that day.

Lesson learned!

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Originally Posted by Runnin' Rebel

That's the real issue right there

Fortunately, I do not have a Hulk. Otherwise, me angry, wearing 'da Hulk....

Hairdude1 · 7 September 2017, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Cobain

This wouldn't have happened if you wore a Rolex that day.

GerardoG · 7 September 2017, 05:35 AM

MUCH better

MonBK · 7 September 2017, 05:46 AM

Hey G, follow Bas advice.

rbiggs · 7 September 2017, 06:03 AM

Woah, that sucks.

MonBK · 7 September 2017, 06:28 AM

Forgot to mention, skip the wine and go with the real Rolex stuff.

Bigblu10 · 7 September 2017, 07:05 AM

Hi G, I have a question. While vacationing in Cancun several years ago, the bar at my hotel made a delicious hot drink called a Mexican coffee. It was poured in a clear glass and looked like it had layers to it. I believe it had Kahluah, tequila, coffee and heavy cream. Are you familiar with this recipe? Sorry for the threadjack Cheers! Jaime

GB-man · 7 September 2017, 07:18 AM

Sounds like you should cut ties and move on. Some people don't respond to change even if it's for the better

RW16610 · 7 September 2017, 07:38 AM

Sounds like an incredibly frustrating day, G! I'm glad it's over and everything they're going through is making some sense now based on this (I can imagine).

I guess you just can't help someone that doesn't truly want to be helped. You gave it your all but they clearly couldn't be bothered. It amazes me how they expect someone to come in and transmogrify this situation.

Either way, I'm glad you were able to relax after that stressful debacle. You're a good guy, Gerardo!

GerardoG · 7 September 2017, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by MonBK

Hey G, follow Bas advice.

Sounds like a GREAT advice!!!!

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Originally Posted by rbiggs

Woah, that sucks.

It does!!!!

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Originally Posted by MonBK

Forgot to mention, skip the wine and go with the real Rolex stuff.

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Originally Posted by Bigblu10

Hi G, I have a question. While vacationing in Cancun several years ago, the bar at my hotel made a delicious hot drink called a Mexican coffee. It was poured in a clear glass and looked like it had layers to it. I believe it had Kahluah, tequila, coffee and heavy cream. Are you familiar with this recipe? Sorry for the threadjack Cheers! Jaime

It could be about 10 different drinks! Here you go: https://www.kahlua.com/en/drinks/

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Originally Posted by BBL

Gerardo, I am one of the view that things can go "south" no matter what you do, and no assurance for expected outcome.
I am sorry you had a bad day.
At least now you know how to proceed. You will ultimately succeed.

Have an extra "refreshment" for me, too, OK?

DM

Will do! Wink, wink

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Originally Posted by GB-man

Sounds like you should cut ties and move on. Some people don't respond to change even if it's for the better

It is unbelievable.

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Originally Posted by RW16610

Sounds like an incredibly frustrating day, G! I'm glad it's over and everything they're going through is making some sense now based on this (I can imagine).

I guess you just can't help someone that doesn't truly want to be helped. You gave it your all but they clearly couldn't be bothered. It amazes me how they expect someone to come in and transmogrify this situation.

Either way, I'm glad you were able to relax after that stressful debacle. You're a good guy, Gerardo!

Thank you! That is the problem when you take things with passion. It was 12:45pm and I was already very upset and tired!

returntorolex · 7 September 2017, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Cobain

This wouldn't have happened if you wore a Rolex that day.

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Originally Posted by Runnin' Rebel

That's the real issue right there

Precisely!

GerardoG · 7 September 2017, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by returntorolex

Precisely!

BBL · 7 September 2017, 07:17 AM

Gerardo, I am one of the view that things can go "south" no matter what you do, and no assurance for expected outcome.
I am sorry you had a bad day.
At least now you know how to proceed. You will ultimately succeed.

Have an extra "refreshment" for me, too, OK?

DM

superdog · 7 September 2017, 08:31 AM

I can relate to much of what you say.

I recently pulled out of a partnership due to a very irresponsible partner. I literally gave him my shares. He said "do you know something I don't know"?

I quitely bowed out once we finally dug out of debt. And it was one of the best business moves I ever made.

Partnerships can be wonderful. They can also be terrible. I've found it's best that I'm in control. Or someone else is. One way or another.

GerardoG · 7 September 2017, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by superdog

I can relate to much of what you say.

I recently pulled out of a partnership due to a very irresponsible partner. I literally gave him my shares. He said "do you know something I don't know"?

I quitely bowed out once we finally dug out of debt. And it was one of the best business moves I ever made.

Partnerships can be wonderful. They can also be terrible. I've found it's best that I'm in control. Or someone else is. One way or another.

...as long as someone IS in control (other than Kevin, he chose that name a long time ago

). Here, the biggest problem is that no one is leading. This is a ship cruising at fast speed, with a lot of staff but no one knows a) WHERE the ship is going and b) if it is floating or sinking

superdog · 7 September 2017, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by GerardoG

...as long as someone IS in control (other than Kevin, he chose that name a long time ago

). Here, the biggest problem is that no one is leading. This is a ship cruising at fast speed, with a lot of staff but no one knows a) WHERE the ship is going and b) if it is floating or sinking

Not sure how invested you are.

Might be time to jump ship. That's a bad situation. Best not to be liable.

I'm ok rushing it when I'm at the wheel. Not ok when it's someone else.

7 September 2017, 03:46 AM	#1
GerardoG Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Real Name: Gerardo Location: Here Watch: ALL of them Posts: 32,098	Wth???!!!!??????!!! WHAT THE........Please excuse my language and rant, I need to vent........ 12:45pm. Here is the story:

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Ferdelious 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2013 Real Name: Matt Location: Tampa, FL Watch: Hulk/SD4K/SeaQ/P39 Posts: 3,203	Did you run out of coffee? __________________ Why is it, "A penny for your thoughts," but, "you have to put your two cents in?" Somebody's making a penny.

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Dr.Brian 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: Brian Location: CA dreamin' Watch: ing the market. Posts: 5,906	Sounds like a good opportunity to invest in their competition. They'll drive this one into the ground eventually. Tell them there was a typo and your fee is actually 10x what you quoted. There's a good chance they'll just pay it and head out for a quick 18. __________________ -Brian AUDENTES FORTUNA IUVAT 十人十色

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breitlings Banned Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Bethesda Watch: Apple TV Posts: 5,744	sorry to hear that. I've had some issues with guys who used to be friends. One just completely tried to ruin my reputation calling me a bullshitter to a bunch of mutual associates in a public forum. In my case it stemmed from a political difference in opinion but Jesus have some balls and talk to me directly; sounds like these guys should have made time for you, even a call.

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BristolCavendish Banned Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: United States Posts: 1,864	Gerardo. Your exasperation is well understood and kudos to your 'best of intention' efforts. With the exception of child-rearing and various private/personal issues involving those who are close to us, sometimes a "if it's not important to you, then it's not important to me" attitude/conveyance is the best alternative route. After all, you don't want to be Atlas carrying the entire world upon your shoulders, especially amongst those who are easily distracted and/or seemingly preoccupied with other 'pertinent issues'.

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Laszlo 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: San Francisco, CA Watch: Date & No Date Posts: 10,868	That would for sure frustrate me to no end. Hang in there. Your the good guy in the end. __________________ "You might as well question why we breathe. If we stop breathing, we'll die. If we stop fighting our enemies, the world will die." Paul Henreid as Victor Laszlo in Casablanca

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Cobain "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Real Name: Michael Location: USA Posts: 440	This wouldn't have happened if you wore a Rolex that day.

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GerardoG Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Real Name: Gerardo Location: Here Watch: ALL of them Posts: 32,098	MUCH better

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MonBK Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kingstown Posts: 58,279	Hey G, follow Bas advice.

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rbiggs "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: London Posts: 54	Woah, that sucks.

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Bigblu10 Banned Join Date: Jul 2017 Real Name: Jaime Location: Here Posts: 5,606	Hi G, I have a question. While vacationing in Cancun several years ago, the bar at my hotel made a delicious hot drink called a Mexican coffee. It was poured in a clear glass and looked like it had layers to it. I believe it had Kahluah, tequila, coffee and heavy cream. Are you familiar with this recipe? Sorry for the threadjack Cheers! Jaime

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GB-man 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: USA Watch: addiction issues Posts: 37,355	Sounds like you should cut ties and move on. Some people don't respond to change even if it's for the better __________________

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RW16610 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Rommel Location: Toronto Canada Watch: 116710LN Posts: 9,203	Sounds like an incredibly frustrating day, G! I'm glad it's over and everything they're going through is making some sense now based on this (I can imagine). I guess you just can't help someone that doesn't truly want to be helped. You gave it your all but they clearly couldn't be bothered. It amazes me how they expect someone to come in and transmogrify this situation. Either way, I'm glad you were able to relax after that stressful debacle. You're a good guy, Gerardo!

7 September 2017, 07:17 AM	#27
BBL "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Real Name: DM Location: USA Watch: DD-YG/DJ/Breitling Posts: 8,896	Gerardo, I am one of the view that things can go "south" no matter what you do, and no assurance for expected outcome. I am sorry you had a bad day. At least now you know how to proceed. You will ultimately succeed. Have an extra "refreshment" for me, too, OK? DM __________________ . People of integrity expect to be believed and when they are not they let time prove them right. A best friend is like a four leaf clover - hard to find and lucky to have. SJP

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superdog 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Real Name: Seth Location: nj Watch: Omega Posts: 24,834	I can relate to much of what you say. I recently pulled out of a partnership due to a very irresponsible partner. I literally gave him my shares. He said "do you know something I don't know"? I quitely bowed out once we finally dug out of debt. And it was one of the best business moves I ever made. Partnerships can be wonderful. They can also be terrible. I've found it's best that I'm in control. Or someone else is. One way or another. __________________ If happiness is a state of mind, why look anywhere else for it? IG: gsmotorclub IG: thesawcollection (Both mostly just car stuff)

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