AP ROO 18KPG 44 which dial?

[jenniferjanef]

I own the one with white sub-dials. The boutique just called the new all black dial is here. I have not seen it in person. Should I close the deal? What's are your thoughts especially those who own this piece love to hear from you. I personally find mine is a tad messy n hard to read the time at a glance. Thank you. james

[PJ S]

Sorry to be Captain Obvious here, but wouldn’t the most sensible thing to do be to visit the AD and look with your own eyes, comparing the two there and then?
I don’t get what you could possibly achieve from asking others with different eyesight to comment on contrast differences between the sub-dials.
Do you use the chronograph feature often or even at all?
If not, then surely it’s purely academic?

From looking at the two on AP’s site, admittedly renders, I see absolutely no difference between the two, so if you’re struggling with the model you own, you’re going to similarly struggle with the one being offered.

The only person who can make the decision is YOU, and the only way you’ll do so is by having both side by side to see what differences YOU can spot.

[HL65]

Personally I prefer the new version and I also have owned the first version which you own. However I would say the old version is easier to read than the new looking at both dials. I don't see that being messy or hard to read and in fact was quite easy to read.

[SC11]

I originally preferred the first gen but after seeing the new one in person I will say if I was to get one it would be that one.

But as above only you can decide and would of thought once side by side the answer should be clear.

Typically I prefer contrasting sub dials but the new dial is cool.

And if you wanted two again after seeing one in person my ideal RG ROO paring would be this new dial RG with the RG ROO summer edition

[tyler1980]

I prefer the new dial. Con't go wrong with either though, but it seems you are looking for a reason to switch so i would say do it.

[jenniferjanef]

Originally Posted by PJ S

Sorry to be Captain Obvious here, but wouldn’t the most sensible thing to do be to visit the AD and look with your own eyes, comparing the two there and then?
I don’t get what you could possibly achieve from asking others with different eyesight to comment on contrast differences between the sub-dials.
Do you use the chronograph feature often or even at all?
If not, then surely it’s purely academic?

From looking at the two on AP’s site, admittedly renders, I see absolutely no difference between the two, so if you’re struggling with the model you own, you’re going to similarly struggle with the one being offered.

The only person who can make the decision is YOU, and the only way you’ll do so is by having both side by side to see what differences YOU can spot.

PJ S .. yes you are right that I do need to try one on however, this model is sold out and on waiting list and there isn't a ready stock on display at the moment. I need to confirm the order otherwise the next buyers are all waiting eagerly.

I do not use the chronograph function. I buying just for the look. TBH I am a tad weary whenever I use the chronograph cos I had a few bad experience with the second hand not resetting back to 0 position before.

Thank you for your kind input.

[jenniferjanef]

Originally Posted by HL65

Personally I prefer the new version and I also have owned the first version which you own. However I would say the old version is easier to read than the new looking at both dials. I don't see that being messy or hard to read and in fact was quite easy to read.

G'day Ken! .. I actually tried the new titanium model and I find the time not the easiest to read. Maybe I am getting old and my long sightedness is catching up..

Thank you v much for your kind input.

[P2725TMB]

Its common knowledge that having seen both regularly I still prefer the old dial. They are both nice, however, and its your choice.

[SC11]

Originally Posted by P2725TMB

Its common knowledge that having seen both regularly I still prefer the old dial. They are both nice, however, and its your choice.

Guess that’s the bonus!

Neither I feel is an improvement over the other it’s more a case of personal choose on dial preference.

[jenniferjanef]

Originally Posted by SC11

I originally preferred the first gen but after seeing the new one in person I will say if I was to get one it would be that one.

But as above only you can decide and would of thought once side by side the answer should be clear.

Typically I prefer contrasting sub dials but the new dial is cool.

And if you wanted two again after seeing one in person my ideal RG ROO paring would be this new dial RG with the RG ROO summer edition

good point!

[jenniferjanef]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

I prefer the new dial. Con't go wrong with either though, but it seems you are looking for a reason to switch so i would say do it.

Wow!! Nice pic!!! thank you for sharing!!

[AK797]

I prefer the old version as I really like panda and reverse panda dials, even more so now the SS ceramic Daytona doesn't have them. As I presume you and your wife are big customers James, can't your AD send you the AP for inspection and you return it in exact same condition after a couple of days if not for you.

[PJ S]

Originally Posted by jenniferjanef

PJ S .. yes you are right that I do need to try one on however, this model is sold out and on waiting list and there isn't a ready stock on display at the moment. I need to confirm the order otherwise the next buyers are all waiting eagerly.

I do not use the chronograph function. I buying just for the look. TBH I am a tad weary whenever I use the chronograph cos I had a few bad experience with the second hand not resetting back to 0 position before.

Based on that additional info, my honest opinion is to stick with what you’ve got and let the others go for it – you’ll not be missing out on anything.
Divert the funds towards a different ROO, perhaps the QE Cup II? (Although I suspect you’d prefer the scratch resistance a ceramic bezel offers)
Or maybe a different brand altogether, something outside what you’ve got or tried already – various ones that spring to mind are:

Gronefeld Remontoire
Leroy Marine Deck
Parmigiani Fleurier Pershing – seeing as you like chronographs
De Bethune
Bovet Pininfarina (Cambiano or Sergio) – another chronograph, and slightly obscure, like your Urwerk?

[benlee]

Another vote for the old version, which should be obvious from my avatar. But in both case, the dial can be kind of busy and not that easy to read at a glance. Depending a lot on surrounding light though. Generally speaking, legibility is not great in certain interior lighting

There has been quite a fair bit of debate going on for the new vs "old" RG44. Best is to see for yourself and decide. It should not be hard to locate a new RG44 at an AP boutique to try in SG. At the end of the day, it's purely a matter of personal preferences...

Now to counter Tyler's great enabling pics with one of mine

[2nastie]

Both are nice but I like the new dial. I like the black sub dials as it brings uniformity. To me the old version has one too many colors with the white.

[tyler1980]

i really wish someone did a poll the day the new RG was released at SIHH. It would have been 99% against. Personally i don't care which watch of these two anyone chooses as i actually do like both quite a lot. I just want both to be liked and the tide is turning for sure on the new dial so that is good for everyone, including AP, as they did hit the right mark on this release after all. Its a big risk to take for any company to change such a classic and popular watch

[benlee]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

i really wish someone did a poll the day the new RG was released at SIHH. It would have been 99% against. Personally i don't care which watch of these two anyone chooses as i actually do like both quite a lot. I just want both to be liked and the tide is turning for sure on the new dial so that is good for everyone, including AP, as they did hit the right mark on this release after all. Its a big risk to take for any company to change such a classic and popular watch

Disagree about the "tide turning" but let's just leave it as that.

[LAFLARE]

I was in the dilemma between purchasing the older version at a few thousand less than the new version last month.. I went with the new dial post pics when you decide to join the darkside!

[Urooj]

Originally Posted by benlee

Another vote for the old version, which should be obvious from my avatar. But in both case, the dial can be kind of busy and not that easy to read at a glance. Depending a lot on surrounding light though. Generally speaking, legibility is not great in certain interior lighting

There has been quite a fair bit of debate going on for the new vs "old" RG44. Best is to see for yourself and decide. It should not be hard to locate a new RG44 at an AP boutique to try in SG. At the end of the day, it's purely a matter of personal preferences...

Now to counter Tyler's great enabling pics with one of mine

That's is just a phenomenal image. I was mighty keen on upgrading my earlier version which is now almost five years old but in the flesh and side by side I made several subsequent visits to Dubai AP boutique as I was staying at the Mall of Emirates as usual and everybody knows me at the boutique. But after spending long hours trying it on and comparing it I preferred the older dial.
Again with watches its purely personal taste whatever floats your boat While on the contrary the same might seem hideous to others. So you are the best judge and once you have them side by side you will know instantly which way you are leaning towards. You are a definite winner in whatever you end up getting. Happy hunting...

[jenniferjanef]

Originally Posted by AK797

I prefer the old version as I really like panda and reverse panda dials, even more so now the SS ceramic Daytona doesn't have them. As I presume you and your wife are big customers James, can't your AD send you the AP for inspection and you return it in exact same condition after a couple of days if not for you.

Hi Neil.. yes you are correct I can arrange a "viewing" however I just worried I do waste the boutique time + effort + disappointing them in a sales.. n I might potentially delay other buyer's purchasing pleasure. I was thinking of making a quick decision asap.

The mrs (Jennifer) has been using my current ROO44RG lately so I am thinking of adding one similar but different dial as a pair ala his n hers.

[jenniferjanef]

Originally Posted by PJ S

Based on that additional info, my honest opinion is to stick with what you’ve got and let the others go for it – you’ll not be missing out on anything.
Divert the funds towards a different ROO, perhaps the QE Cup II? (Although I suspect you’d prefer the scratch resistance a ceramic bezel offers)
Or maybe a different brand altogether, something outside what you’ve got or tried already – various ones that spring to mind are:

Gronefeld Remontoire
Leroy Marine Deck
Parmigiani Fleurier Pershing – seeing as you like chronographs
De Bethune
Bovet Pininfarina (Cambiano or Sergio) – another chronograph, and slightly obscure, like your Urwerk?

Hi PJ S .. thanks for the great advise! I am currently waiting for my FPJ CB and URWERK EMC (X-ray).

I own a few more "obscure" independents such as HYTs, MB&Fs n RMs.. I have to say I v enjoy wearing the AP ROO 44. The ceramic bezel is a great addition greatly improve daily wearability! Only the Laptimer is better than the 44.

Yes.. as you said.. I might just give this all black dial 44 a pass.


James

[jenniferjanef]

Originally Posted by benlee

Another vote for the old version, which should be obvious from my avatar. But in both case, the dial can be kind of busy and not that easy to read at a glance. Depending a lot on surrounding light though. Generally speaking, legibility is not great in certain interior lighting

There has been quite a fair bit of debate going on for the new vs "old" RG44. Best is to see for yourself and decide. It should not be hard to locate a new RG44 at an AP boutique to try in SG. At the end of the day, it's purely a matter of personal preferences...

Now to counter Tyler's great enabling pics with one of mine

Thanks Ben! Great photos as always!

[jenniferjanef]

Originally Posted by 2nastie

Both are nice but I like the new dial. I like the black sub dials as it brings uniformity. To me the old version has one too many colors with the white.

IMHO The white sub dials scream chronograph. Looks v purposeful. The new black dial looks more serious n sober.

[jenniferjanef]

Originally Posted by LAFLARE

I was in the dilemma between purchasing the older version at a few thousand less than the new version last month.. I went with the new dial post pics when you decide to join the darkside!

"..the dark side".. I like that!!

[jenniferjanef]

Originally Posted by Urooj

That's is just a phenomenal image. I was mighty keen on upgrading my earlier version which is now almost five years old but in the flesh and side by side I made several subsequent visits to Dubai AP boutique as I was staying at the Mall of Emirates as usual and everybody knows me at the boutique. But after spending long hours trying it on and comparing it I preferred the older dial.
Again with watches its purely personal taste whatever floats your boat While on the contrary the same might seem hideous to others. So you are the best judge and once you have them side by side you will know instantly which way you are leaning towards. You are a definite winner in whatever you end up getting. Happy hunting...

thank you!

[ken10]

Just my opinion, both old and new dials are EQUALLY nice and desirable on the RG44. Each has it's own strength so really down to personal preference and can't go wrong with either. I think AP messed up on this one. If there's a clear design improvement, such debates shouldn't be going on. I'm already seeing a few in this forum.

I didn't see any debate about the ceramic 44 whether the old or new dial is nicer, thus my point. (No disrespect to pre SIHH 44CE owners)

[jenniferjanef]

Originally Posted by ken10

Just my opinion, both old and new dials are EQUALLY nice and desirable on the RG44. Each has it's own strength so really down to personal preference and can't go wrong with either. I think AP messed up on this one. If there's a clear design improvement, such debates shouldn't be going on. I'm already seeing a few in this forum.

I didn't see any debate about the ceramic 44 whether the old or new dial is nicer, thus my point. (No disrespect to pre SIHH 44CE owners)

Haha .. Ken you got a point there! ...


James

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by jenniferjanef

Hi PJ S .. thanks for the great advise! I am currently waiting for my FPJ CB and URWERK EMC (X-ray).

I own a few more "obscure" independents such as HYTs, MB&Fs n RMs..
James

I think PJ S just found a new best friend. Another obscure independent fan








Im still not brave enough to go there yet. If i did, MB&F would be the one.

[Bigblack]

Jesus must be nice lol :) i'd love either one --- First world problems on this board !!

[HK Islandboy]

Originally Posted by benlee

Another vote for the old version, which should be obvious from my avatar. But in both case, the dial can be kind of busy and not that easy to read at a glance. Depending a lot on surrounding light though. Generally speaking, legibility is not great in certain interior lighting

There has been quite a fair bit of debate going on for the new vs "old" RG44. Best is to see for yourself and decide. It should not be hard to locate a new RG44 at an AP boutique to try in SG. At the end of the day, it's purely a matter of personal preferences...

Now to counter Tyler's great enabling pics with one of mine

Phenomenal shot!