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roguy · 30 December 2017, 08:38 AM

So the crystal on my 16233 is crooked for whatever reason, and in order to save money I decide to go to a jeweler/watchmaker chain in my city. I ask the service if it was possible for them to straighten the crystal so I hand her the watch. It is a 16233 with a Preik caseback installed. First thing she tells me "This watch is a fake". I literally told her 4 times that its an original and she still didn't believe me and even went as far as telling me that they would have to keep the watch and demolish it if it was indeed a fake. In the end she ended up telling me to go to the AD and have it straightened there as they don't work on rolexes anyways and send them to the AD. After all that I wasn't going to leave the watch there anyways. Do you have any similar or funny stories to tell? I was really surprised to be treated that way. Must be because im 20 years old and she couldn't believe I would own a real Rolex. Little does she know I come from a family of watchmakers and watch enthusiasts.

mtgjr · 30 December 2017, 08:48 AM

Color me skeptical.

roguy · 30 December 2017, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by mtgjr

Color me skeptical.

Im not joking though, the service lady didn't know a thing about Rolex i guess. It wasn't a jeweler for high class watches though. More like Daniel Wellingtons up to Tissot watches. Chain is called Christ Jewellers in germany

imperio · 30 December 2017, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by roguy

Im not joking though, the service lady didn't know a thing about Rolex i guess. It wasn't a jeweler for high class watches though. More like Daniel Wellingtons up to Tissot watches. Chain is called Christ Jewellers in germany

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Originally Posted by roguy

Little does she know I come from a family of watchmakers and watch enthusiasts.

I think he was referring to this

Flier · 31 December 2017, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by roguy

Im not joking though, the service lady didn't know a thing about Rolex i guess. It wasn't a jeweler for high class watches though. More like Daniel Wellingtons up to Tissot watches. Chain is called Christ Jewellers in germany

Religion and Rolex dont mix

Takonwong · 30 December 2017, 08:56 AM

Why couldn't you ask a member of your family of watchmakers / enthusiasts to see if they could straighten the crystal?

Just asking!

tamiya · 30 December 2017, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Takonwong

Why couldn't you ask a member of your family of watchmakers / enthusiasts to see if they could straighten the crystal?

Just asking!

Maybe they were the ones that put it on crooked?

roguy · 31 December 2017, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Takonwong

Why couldn't you ask a member of your family of watchmakers / enthusiasts to see if they could straighten the crystal?

Just asking!

My family is originally from Italy but my parents live in germany. So in order to have them work on the watch I would have to travel to italy. I also have no Idea why the crystal is inserted crooked. I bought the watch used and it had fingerprints inside the crystal and the crystal was crooked. I was able to remove the fingerprints myself but I didnt feel confident enough to take out the crystal and refit it. I have also been to the RSC in my city today and they said it wasnt worth for me to refit it without doing a full service as it would cost 150-180€ just to refit it.

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Originally Posted by LuminousMaximus

There's something weird here...

If the lady at he counter says it's a Fake it probably is... Cmon, whos the Professional here...

If it helps I can post a pic of the watch :)

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Originally Posted by Ruud Van Driver

How is going to a private enterprise ever going to work out less expensive than going to a family member that's a qualified watchmaker?

Either your relatives are grossly over-charging and they don't like you or they're way too busy to look at your watch any time before you get too old to wear it.

Sorry, I call BS.

As mentioned above, my family is from italy and I live in germany so no way I can take my watch to them for now. And it has been recently purchased as a christmas gift. Soonest I could get there is in the summertime.

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Originally Posted by stamsd

See, now you guys have scared the poor kid away.

Still here, open to any questions :)

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Originally Posted by 77T

I’m thinking he means the cyclops on his Datejust was not aligned perfectly with the date window.

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Exactly this. Sorry if I wasnt being clear enough by saying it is crooked.

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Originally Posted by oldman2005

Well, I think she did you a favor by sending you away. Seriously, I will not let a mall watch repair person who main job is to replace digital watch batteries to work on my Rolex. On the other hand you may have a fake, someone just bought a fake Rolex on Ebay without knowing until people here telling it's a fake, so post up pic of your watch

I give in, heres a pic of the watch

MariettaMike · 31 December 2017, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by roguy

My family is originally from Italy but my parents live in germany. So in order to have them work on the watch I would have to travel to italy. I also have no Idea why the crystal is inserted crooked. I bought the watch used and it had fingerprints inside the crystal and the crystal was crooked. I was able to remove the fingerprints myself but I didnt feel confident enough to take out the crystal and refit it. I have also been to the RSC in my city today and they said it wasnt worth for me to refit it without doing a full service as it would cost 150-180€ just to refit it.

If it helps I can post a pic of the watch :)

As mentioned above, my family is from italy and I live in germany so no way I can take my watch to them for now. And it has been recently purchased as a christmas gift. Soonest I could get there is in the summertime.

Still here, open to any questions :)

Exactly this. Sorry if I wasnt being clear enough by saying it is crooked.

I give in, heres a pic of the watch

Yep, the crystal is crooked.

petereoin · 31 December 2017, 05:33 AM

Looks to me like the cyclops has moved (which is only glued) rather than the crystal moving

zengineer · 31 December 2017, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by MariettaMike

Yep, the crystal is crooked.

Or is it straight and the watch is turned??????????

Actually, I think there is more wrong than a simple alignment. If it was rotated (the watch or the crystal, take your pick) the Cyclops would still be to far outboard (close to the bezel and not centered on the date window) and generally askew/wonky.

Fake or incorrect crystal on a real watch or a genuine Rolex factory crystal on a fake watch or just a poorly applied Cyclops(most likely).....the possibilities are endless. You really need to get the family involved I think.

GradyPhilpott · 31 December 2017, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by roguy

My family is originally from Italy but my parents live in germany. So in order to have them work on the watch I would have to travel to italy. I also have no Idea why the crystal is inserted crooked. I bought the watch used and it had fingerprints inside the crystal and the crystal was crooked. I was able to remove the fingerprints myself but I didnt feel confident enough to take out the crystal and refit it. I have also been to the RSC in my city today and they said it wasnt worth for me to refit it without doing a full service as it would cost 150-180€ just to refit it.

If it helps I can post a pic of the watch :)

As mentioned above, my family is from italy and I live in germany so no way I can take my watch to them for now. And it has been recently purchased as a christmas gift. Soonest I could get there is in the summertime.

Still here, open to any questions :)

Exactly this. Sorry if I wasnt being clear enough by saying it is crooked.

I give in, heres a pic of the watch

Thanks for the clarification.

tamiya · 31 December 2017, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by roguy

I also have no Idea why the crystal is inserted crooked. I bought the watch used and it had fingerprints inside the crystal and the crystal was crooked. I was able to remove the fingerprints myself but I didnt feel confident enough to take out the crystal and refit it. I have also been to the RSC in my city today and they said it wasnt worth for me to refit it without doing a full service as it would cost 150-180€ just to refit it.

RSC will probably call it a crystal replacement, they won't refit old part. "Requiring full service" is probably their way of saying they CBF'd taking on your small job.

How it got like that? Many ways... from sloppy watchmaker installing it wrong, or (as mentioned above the crystal is not keyed to the case, it's only friction holding it straight) so it can be turned given the right circumstances.

Somebody using a leverpress-style tool to screw on the caseback with case unsupported & putting all the torque solely on the crystal... could be suitable circumstances.

Seeing you've got DIY/watchfixing genes in your DNA...

you've got the tools too?

Rentalcarman · 31 December 2017, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Takonwong

Why couldn't you ask a member of your family of watchmakers / enthusiasts to see if they could straighten the crystal?

Just asking!

My thoughts exactly??!!

roguy · 31 December 2017, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Oceanlover914

My thoughts exactly??!!

Please read the post above you. Thanks

LuminousMaximus · 31 December 2017, 07:23 AM

I must apologize for my dry sometimes sarcastic but yet still funny replies. My reply was a joke because most salespeople know less than the average WIS

I never thought it was fake. How could I? Since at the time I had never seen it

GradyPhilpott · 30 December 2017, 09:09 AM

What do you mean by crooked crystal?

77T · 30 December 2017, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

What do you mean by crooked crystal?

I’m thinking he means the cyclops on his Datejust was not aligned perfectly with the date window.

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GradyPhilpott · 30 December 2017, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by 77T

I’m thinking he means the cyclops on his Datejust was not aligned perfectly with the date window.

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Could be, but then we are left to wonder how this can happen on a watch as tightly fitted as a Rolex.

I'm not questioning his honesty. I'm just trying to understand the situation.

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Passionata · 31 December 2017, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

What do you mean by crooked crystal?

what do you mean straighten up the crystal ?

watchwatcher · 30 December 2017, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by roguy

and in order to save money I decide to go to a jeweler/watchmaker chain in my city.

Well, there you go.

Fleetlord · 30 December 2017, 09:49 AM

Nonsense...

Even in the .0001% chance that this isn't just pure fantasy, what should we say or do about it?

subtona · 30 December 2017, 09:49 AM

The most disturbing part of this story for me is that you were going to let a non ad work on your watch.

meganfox17 · 30 December 2017, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by subtona

The most disturbing part of this story for me is that you were going to let a non ad work on your watch.

Yeah, that's what I thought too...The young man wants an unqualified untrained watch repairman who specializes in designer quartz watch brands made in the Far East fitted with Miyota movement to handle his Rolex....

vincenzowl · 3 January 2018, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by subtona

The most disturbing part of this story for me is that you were going to let a non ad work on your watch.

Seriously...

Not sure what to make of this OP.

HogwldFLTR · 30 December 2017, 10:03 AM

I've considered asking a mall watch repair place just to see what they'd say. I've decided there was no point!!!! Best leave Rolex in the hands of caring professionals!!!

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Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

Could be, but then we are left to wonder how this can happen on a watch as tightly fitted as a Rolex.

I'm not questioning his honesty. I'm just trying to understand the situation.

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Prior service, prior owner, factory escape. many ways!!!

GradyPhilpott · 30 December 2017, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by HogwldFLTR

Prior service, prior owner, factory escape. many ways!!!

I interested in specifics. I know there are multiple ways. It's just not something that happens over time all by itself, so there must be an explanation.

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Originally Posted by oldman2005

Well, I think she did you a favor by sending you away. Seriously, I will not let a mall watch repair person who main job is to replace digital watch batteries to work on my Rolex.

77T · 30 December 2017, 10:11 AM

The crystal isn’t “keyed” so it’s easy to do. Especially with the LEC

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Wcdhtwn · 30 December 2017, 10:12 AM

He comes from a family of watch makers and enthusiasts. Lots of $ and stature in enthusiasm... but I digress. Why the need/desire to save money with the blue blood horological stock you come from? Certainly the service you were after was less than €500, most €1000. Were I to hand my Rolex over to a watch service person and hear they thought it a forgery I'd immediately take it back and leave. You hanging round for 4 tellings of "it's a fake" make me think they are onto something...

oldman2005 · 30 December 2017, 10:59 AM

Well, I think she did you a favor by sending you away. Seriously, I will not let a mall watch repair person who main job is to replace digital watch batteries to work on my Rolex. On the other hand you may have a fake, someone just bought a fake Rolex on Ebay without knowing until people here telling it's a fake, so post up pic of your watch

30 December 2017, 08:38 AM	#1
roguy "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: germany Watch: RLX 16233 Posts: 17	Outrageous service at watch dealer today. So the crystal on my 16233 is crooked for whatever reason, and in order to save money I decide to go to a jeweler/watchmaker chain in my city. I ask the service if it was possible for them to straighten the crystal so I hand her the watch. It is a 16233 with a Preik caseback installed. First thing she tells me "This watch is a fake". I literally told her 4 times that its an original and she still didn't believe me and even went as far as telling me that they would have to keep the watch and demolish it if it was indeed a fake. In the end she ended up telling me to go to the AD and have it straightened there as they don't work on rolexes anyways and send them to the AD. After all that I wasn't going to leave the watch there anyways. Do you have any similar or funny stories to tell? I was really surprised to be treated that way. Must be because im 20 years old and she couldn't believe I would own a real Rolex. Little does she know I come from a family of watchmakers and watch enthusiasts.

31 December 2017, 07:23 AM	#16
LuminousMaximus 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: USA Watch: me hit Huge Lotto Posts: 6,512	I must apologize for my dry sometimes sarcastic but yet still funny replies. My reply was a joke because most salespeople know less than the average WIS I never thought it was fake. How could I? Since at the time I had never seen it __________________ “Every man Dies... Not Every Man, Really Lives.” – William Wallace - To really lives means to live your life to the fullest. It means to chase your dreams, take risks, and to love life. Since everyone’s fate is the same, why not live the best life that you possibly can? In order to really live,you must seize the day. Live each day as if it's your last and overall just do it! Today is a gift, that’s why it’s called the present...

30 December 2017, 09:09 AM	#17
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30 December 2017, 09:49 AM	#23
subtona "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: gus Location: East Coast Watch: APK & sometimes Y Posts: 26,582	The most disturbing part of this story for me is that you were going to let a non ad work on your watch. __________________

30 December 2017, 10:11 AM	#28
77T 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: PaulG Location: Georgia Posts: 41,957	The crystal isn’t “keyed” so it’s easy to do. Especially with the LEC Sent from my iPhoneX using Tapatalk __________________ Does anyone really know what time it is?

30 December 2017, 08:48 AM	#2
mtgjr Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Mike Location: Tampa, Florida Watch: Pepsi GMT Posts: 2,926	Color me skeptical.

30 December 2017, 08:56 AM	#6
Takonwong "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: UK Posts: 404	Why couldn't you ask a member of your family of watchmakers / enthusiasts to see if they could straighten the crystal? Just asking!

31 December 2017, 05:33 AM	#10
petereoin "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Ireland Watch: 5513,16610 Posts: 217	Looks to me like the cyclops has moved (which is only glued) rather than the crystal moving

30 December 2017, 09:49 AM	#22
Fleetlord 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Vain Posts: 6,014	Nonsense... Even in the .0001% chance that this isn't just pure fantasy, what should we say or do about it?

30 December 2017, 10:12 AM	#29
Wcdhtwn "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Houston Watch: SkyD, SD43, GMT2 Posts: 5,058	He comes from a family of watch makers and enthusiasts. Lots of $ and stature in enthusiasm... but I digress. Why the need/desire to save money with the blue blood horological stock you come from? Certainly the service you were after was less than €500, most €1000. Were I to hand my Rolex over to a watch service person and hear they thought it a forgery I'd immediately take it back and leave. You hanging round for 4 tellings of "it's a fake" make me think they are onto something...

30 December 2017, 10:59 AM	#30
oldman2005 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: norcal Posts: 3,031	Well, I think she did you a favor by sending you away. Seriously, I will not let a mall watch repair person who main job is to replace digital watch batteries to work on my Rolex. On the other hand you may have a fake, someone just bought a fake Rolex on Ebay without knowing until people here telling it's a fake, so post up pic of your watch

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