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RedLs3 · 11 March 2018, 05:28 AM

Watch has rsc dallas paperwork from 2012. Exp2 1675 with an N serial number, 1991 model with T<25 tritium dial. Is this normal for the patina on dial to be alittle darker then the hands? The seller and rsc paperwork say hands werent changed. Asking fellow trf gurus for any info on this. Thanks. Rsc paperwork shows $1100 total service. Seller asking low $4k? Good deal?

thomaswentworth · 11 March 2018, 05:38 AM

It looks virtually identical... just a little off. Yes... Hands and markers can patina at different rates. A vastly different level of patina would indicate new hands or possibly even aftermarket hands.

thomaswentworth · 11 March 2018, 05:40 AM

Sometimes I wonder if there are sellers out there who might change hands on all watches they come across. Those hands are made of 18k white gold. Putting cheap replacement hands on a watch would be something that would rarely be noticed.

Remember that the hands and markers basically have luminous paint in them. A slight difference in mixture during different batches could result in a slight difference in color.

rgwarden · 11 March 2018, 05:41 AM

The price is good, but they certainly look like the hands have been changed at service, maybe not the most recent service? A way to tell would be to test the lume because the tritium (fantastic patina btw) will have no glow left but I’m betting those hands do...
The real question is will the difference bother you. I have a buddy who had a 1680 with service hands and the difference in patina (just like your 16570 photos) drove him nuts and made him sell it.
Personally I actually still like the hands to have lume so could live with it.

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JR16 · 11 March 2018, 06:08 AM

Those are probably factory hands either changed at this service and not listed, or at a prior service. It is common for Rolex to swap out the hands when a full service is done. It wouldn’t bother me at all esp given that this watch has other service parts as well . $4k seems like a great price to me .

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JR16 · 11 March 2018, 06:13 AM

Ps if you pass on this, PM me as I may be interested myself !

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RedLs3 · 11 March 2018, 06:14 AM

Since it has the rsc paperwork and service card, with service box and documents. Is this just as good as original paperwork?

henrylee · 11 March 2018, 06:23 AM

You're really coming out ahead in this deal. Even if the hands were replaced at service it's a great deal.

sensui · 11 March 2018, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by RedLs3

Since it has the rsc paperwork and service card, with service box and documents. Is this just as good as original paperwork?

Subjective....I would say for most cases on resale for this particular watch, yes....for something more vintage I'd say no.

I think the hands have been changed somewhere along the way.

Iflylo · 11 March 2018, 09:17 AM

The hands haven't been changed. Hands age differently than lume plots. I have a gmt bought new in 1994 that looks very similar.

11 March 2018, 05:28 AM	#1
RedLs3 Banned Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: NYC Posts: 283	This ok?... dial more patina then hands EXP2 16750 Watch has rsc dallas paperwork from 2012. Exp2 1675 with an N serial number, 1991 model with T<25 tritium dial. Is this normal for the patina on dial to be alittle darker then the hands? The seller and rsc paperwork say hands werent changed. Asking fellow trf gurus for any info on this. Thanks. Rsc paperwork shows $1100 total service. Seller asking low $4k? Good deal? Attached Images

11 March 2018, 06:08 AM	#5
JR16 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: USA Posts: 6,253	This ok?... dial more patina then hands EXP2 16750 Those are probably factory hands either changed at this service and not listed, or at a prior service. It is common for Rolex to swap out the hands when a full service is done. It wouldn’t bother me at all esp given that this watch has other service parts as well . $4k seems like a great price to me . Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

11 March 2018, 06:23 AM	#8
henrylee "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Socal/LA Watch: 116610LN Ceramic Posts: 3,223	You're really coming out ahead in this deal. Even if the hands were replaced at service it's a great deal. __________________ ♛ Sub 116610LN 2011 ♛ GMT 126710BLNR 2021 ♛ GMT 126711CHNR 2020 ♛ Datejust 16233 X-series 1993 Ω Speedmaster Mitsukoshi 2019 č Cartier Tank w5200025 2021

11 March 2018, 09:17 AM	#10
Iflylo "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: USA Posts: 384	The hands haven't been changed. Hands age differently than lume plots. I have a gmt bought new in 1994 that looks very similar. __________________ "Walking's easy when the road is flat, the Good Lord gave us Mountains so we could learn how to Climb" Lonestar.

11 March 2018, 05:38 AM	#2
thomaswentworth Banned Join Date: Feb 2018 Real Name: Tom Wentworth Location: Los Angeles Watch: Rolex 116610 Sub Posts: 541	It looks virtually identical... just a little off. Yes... Hands and markers can patina at different rates. A vastly different level of patina would indicate new hands or possibly even aftermarket hands.

11 March 2018, 05:40 AM	#3
thomaswentworth Banned Join Date: Feb 2018 Real Name: Tom Wentworth Location: Los Angeles Watch: Rolex 116610 Sub Posts: 541	Sometimes I wonder if there are sellers out there who might change hands on all watches they come across. Those hands are made of 18k white gold. Putting cheap replacement hands on a watch would be something that would rarely be noticed. Remember that the hands and markers basically have luminous paint in them. A slight difference in mixture during different batches could result in a slight difference in color.

11 March 2018, 05:41 AM	#4
rgwarden "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: London Watch: 124270 Posts: 537	The price is good, but they certainly look like the hands have been changed at service, maybe not the most recent service? A way to tell would be to test the lume because the tritium (fantastic patina btw) will have no glow left but I’m betting those hands do... The real question is will the difference bother you. I have a buddy who had a 1680 with service hands and the difference in patina (just like your 16570 photos) drove him nuts and made him sell it. Personally I actually still like the hands to have lume so could live with it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

11 March 2018, 06:13 AM	#6
JR16 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: USA Posts: 6,253	Ps if you pass on this, PM me as I may be interested myself ! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

11 March 2018, 06:14 AM	#7
RedLs3 Banned Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: NYC Posts: 283	Since it has the rsc paperwork and service card, with service box and documents. Is this just as good as original paperwork?

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