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montevideo · 20 March 2018, 06:14 PM

Dear all,

I need your help! My friend purchased this pre-owned 116200 Full BP, card shown Harrods London.

After carefully checking it up, we found the hour indexes are not aligned with the Roman minutes markers. Can you all please view and advise whether this is manufacturer's quality mistake or this is good fake piece?

Many thanks!

adg31 · 20 March 2018, 07:34 PM

Ironic that there are quite a few posts like this given the claim by Rolex that 'every Rolex dial is designed and manufactured in-house, largely by hand to ensure perfection.'
Looking at the photographs it also appears that the dial is misaligned to the engraving on the rehaut.
If it's got full box and papers I'd say it's most likely genuine from Harrods so would take it back to get it replaced if you can.

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kzm40 · 20 March 2018, 07:46 PM

The printing on the dial is mis-aligned, the batons look correct. Definite manufacturing fault.

Dennisoul · 20 March 2018, 07:49 PM

Yep the “Rolex” is squint, and the markers are out of line....take it back

mui.richard · 20 March 2018, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by montevideo

Dear all,

I need your help! My friend purchased this pre-owned 116200 Full BP, card shown Harrods London.

After carefully checking it up, we found the hour indexes are not aligned with the Roman minutes markers. Can you all please view and advise whether this is manufacturer's quality mistake or this is good fake piece?

Many thanks!

Was the watch ever checked by a good watchmaker that it's in fact genuine? Asking because the date alignment within the date window seem off and not centred?

It's a little hard to believe an obvious fault like skewed dial printing would actually get pass QC.

Just my 2 cent

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chauhien93 · 20 March 2018, 10:32 PM

^

From local guys (watch traders), all said genuine but in fact, i have same thinking with you, dont believe this thing passed QC

For the date alignment, just due to photo. You could only see bottom rehault but top would not ;)

semi-ambivalent · 20 March 2018, 11:12 PM

OT, but FWIW, if I bought a new Rolex today it would be that combo right there.

samson66 · 20 March 2018, 11:15 PM

Looks like the entire dial is slightly rotated clockwise. You can see the date window is not centered - bigger gap on bottom. I would think they open it up, rotate the dial back the other way and you should be good to go.

Masteryacht · 20 March 2018, 11:19 PM

Wow, that is a bad one. Some are subtle, but stand out to our critical eyes. A child could see the problem with that one without being given a hint to what's wrong with it. Terrible QC.

Fasse · 20 March 2018, 11:23 PM

That "swiss made" Wow..

chauhien93 · 20 March 2018, 11:43 PM

Think need to send to local RSC to check it. just confuse if it is not genuine one.

Etschell · 20 March 2018, 11:55 PM

no offense but your friend bought that seeing it? what is wrong with him?

tomchicago · 20 March 2018, 11:59 PM

Terrible!

Chewbacca · 21 March 2018, 12:06 AM

I'd have to say it's likely a fake dial or watch with a real card from another Rolex unless you flip the card and show the rehaute.

I simply can't believe this was a 'after carefully' checking up (wtf?)discovery.

Hope it gets sorted, but your friend is likely playing you.

Speed · 21 March 2018, 12:23 AM

Serious collectible!!!

Roger Lococco · 21 March 2018, 12:29 AM

Is the font on the date legit?

montevideo · 21 March 2018, 12:32 AM

Already comforted him that his watch is collectible, given it is not a fake one. LOL!!!

GMT Aviator · 21 March 2018, 12:33 AM

Manufacturing boo boo. I reckon RSC will replace it for free.

Ballzzz · 21 March 2018, 12:35 AM

Why are the batons so small? Looks fake from my view no? O wait its a 36mm not dj2.

TitanCi · 21 March 2018, 12:37 AM

Is it normal for Harrods (presumably an English company) to sell Rolex and give warranty cards that are not in English?

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Jacobson · 21 March 2018, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by TitanCi

Is it normal for Harrods (presumably an English company) to sell Rolex and give warranty cards that are not in English?

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Yeah that's quite normal

Wcdhtwn · 21 March 2018, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by samson66

Looks like the entire dial is slightly rotated clockwise. You can see the date window is not centered - bigger gap on bottom. I would think they open it up, rotate the dial back the other way and you should be good to go.

Is it that simple? The batons are glued on the dial and were clearly put in the wrong place around the whole watch. Interesting that they are all off by exactly the same amount. Maybe the dial went into the 'baton attaching machine" crooked. If this is done by hand it must have been "Free beer at lunch day" at Rolex.

I may be wrong but to fix this dial I think the batons would have to be removed and reglued. Rotation in one way or the other won't fix the alignment to the roman hour markers printed on the dial.

liuk3 · 21 March 2018, 01:11 AM

Just take it to a Rolex Service Center and have them fix it. If they don't tell you that it is a fake, then it should be all good.

Could also just go back to seller and see if your friend can get a refund.

samson66 · 21 March 2018, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Wcdhtwn

Is it that simple? The batons are glued on the dial and were clearly put in the wrong place around the whole watch. Interesting that they are all off by exactly the same amount. Maybe the dial went into the 'baton attaching machine" crooked. If this is done by hand it must have been "Free beer at lunch day" at Rolex.

I may be wrong but to fix this dial I think the batons would have to be removed and reglued. Rotation in one way or the other won't fix the alignment to the roman hour markers printed on the dial.

Good point, I hadn't considered the baton placement. It does seem as if the dial was put in incorrectly, rotated clockwise, but THEN the glued the batons at the correct locations. I have no earthly clue how that could happen if the dial was placed first with the batons glued on top. Just really strange.

But if the batons are just put on by machine like you suggest it makes more sense. That is probably how it happened. But even after all that HOW IN THE WORLD DOES THIS GET PAST QC???

Cato · 21 March 2018, 01:14 AM

It looks like the batons were just "left justified."

The watch maker just had a slip in thinking or perhaps it was his first day.

It might be a collectible.

adg31 · 21 March 2018, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by samson66

Good point, I hadn't considered the baton placement. It does seem as if the dial was put in incorrectly, rotated clockwise, but THEN the glued the batons at the correct locations. I have no earthly clue how that could happen if the dial was placed first with the batons glued on top. Just really strange.

But if the batons are just put on by machine like you suggest it makes more sense. That is probably how it happened. But even after all that HOW IN THE WORLD DOES THIS GET PAST QC???

The batons are usually riveted on a Rolex with pre-drilled holes. As such the most likely mishap is that the dial printing was off on this production run but the batons are where they should be... oh, and the QC team were working blindfolded for good measure :)

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20 March 2018, 06:14 PM	#1
montevideo "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: vietnam Posts: 52	Help! Datejust 116200 mis-aligned hour indexes Dear all, I need your help! My friend purchased this pre-owned 116200 Full BP, card shown Harrods London. After carefully checking it up, we found the hour indexes are not aligned with the Roman minutes markers. Can you all please view and advise whether this is manufacturer's quality mistake or this is good fake piece? Many thanks! Attached Images

20 March 2018, 07:34 PM	#2
adg31 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Leicestershire Posts: 314	Help! Datejust 116200 mis-aligned hour indexes Ironic that there are quite a few posts like this given the claim by Rolex that 'every Rolex dial is designed and manufactured in-house, largely by hand to ensure perfection.' Looking at the photographs it also appears that the dial is misaligned to the engraving on the rehaut. If it's got full box and papers I'd say it's most likely genuine from Harrods so would take it back to get it replaced if you can. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

20 March 2018, 11:55 PM	#12
Etschell "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: FL Watch: platinum sub Posts: 15,884	no offense but your friend bought that seeing it? what is wrong with him? __________________ If you wind it, they will run. 25 or 6 to 4.

21 March 2018, 12:35 AM	#19
Ballzzz 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: NY Posts: 2,515	Why are the batons so small? Looks fake from my view no? O wait its a 36mm not dj2. __________________ Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction. - Albert Einstein

21 March 2018, 01:11 AM	#23
liuk3 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,354	Just take it to a Rolex Service Center and have them fix it. If they don't tell you that it is a fake, then it should be all good. Could also just go back to seller and see if your friend can get a refund. __________________ "Appreciate your life!"

20 March 2018, 07:46 PM	#3
kzm40 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: UK Posts: 713	The printing on the dial is mis-aligned, the batons look correct. Definite manufacturing fault.

20 March 2018, 07:49 PM	#4
Dennisoul "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Real Name: Andy Location: Scotland Watch: 16570 Polar Posts: 1,085	Yep the “Rolex” is squint, and the markers are out of line....take it back

20 March 2018, 10:32 PM	#6
chauhien93 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Vietnam Posts: 24	^ From local guys (watch traders), all said genuine but in fact, i have same thinking with you, dont believe this thing passed QC For the date alignment, just due to photo. You could only see bottom rehault but top would not ;)

20 March 2018, 11:12 PM	#7
semi-ambivalent "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: co Posts: 135	OT, but FWIW, if I bought a new Rolex today it would be that combo right there.

20 March 2018, 11:15 PM	#8
samson66 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Mike Location: Downy Ocean Hon Watch: my money leaving! Posts: 13,793	Looks like the entire dial is slightly rotated clockwise. You can see the date window is not centered - bigger gap on bottom. I would think they open it up, rotate the dial back the other way and you should be good to go.

20 March 2018, 11:19 PM	#9
Masteryacht "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: USA Watch: 16622,BLNR,116500 Posts: 1,009	Wow, that is a bad one. Some are subtle, but stand out to our critical eyes. A child could see the problem with that one without being given a hint to what's wrong with it. Terrible QC.

20 March 2018, 11:23 PM	#10
Fasse "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Finland Posts: 22	That "swiss made" Wow..

20 March 2018, 11:43 PM	#11
chauhien93 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Vietnam Posts: 24	Think need to send to local RSC to check it. just confuse if it is not genuine one.

20 March 2018, 11:59 PM	#13
tomchicago Banned Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Chicago Watch: 16710BLRO, 214270. Posts: 2,717	Terrible!

21 March 2018, 12:06 AM	#14
Chewbacca Banned Join Date: May 2012 Real Name: CJ Location: Kashyyyk Watch: Kessel Run Chrono Posts: 21,112	I'd have to say it's likely a fake dial or watch with a real card from another Rolex unless you flip the card and show the rehaute. I simply can't believe this was a 'after carefully' checking up (wtf?)discovery. Hope it gets sorted, but your friend is likely playing you.

21 March 2018, 12:23 AM	#15
Speed "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: USA Posts: 19,706	Serious collectible!!!

21 March 2018, 12:29 AM	#16
Roger Lococco "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Real Name: Roger Lococco Location: Asia Watch: 126719BLRO Pepsi Posts: 2,980	Is the font on the date legit?

21 March 2018, 12:32 AM	#17
montevideo "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: vietnam Posts: 52	Already comforted him that his watch is collectible, given it is not a fake one. LOL!!!

21 March 2018, 12:33 AM	#18
GMT Aviator 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Real Name: Mike Location: London Posts: 3,318	Manufacturing boo boo. I reckon RSC will replace it for free.

21 March 2018, 12:37 AM	#20
TitanCi "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: California Posts: 555	Is it normal for Harrods (presumably an English company) to sell Rolex and give warranty cards that are not in English? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

21 March 2018, 01:14 AM	#25
Cato Banned Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Land of the Lost Watch: 116610LN Posts: 2,201	It looks like the batons were just "left justified." The watch maker just had a slip in thinking or perhaps it was his first day. It might be a collectible.

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