New Tudor Black Bay Fifty-Eight vs. Rolex Submariner?

[erdemdede]

What you think? The new Black Bay Fifty-Eight from Baselworld 2018 or the well-known Submariner (114060)?

All the old issues are now solved with the new Black Bay. It‘s smaller (imo perfect size), it‘s thinner (11.9mm) and has a nice inhouse movement. What‘s the reason for an Sub instead of a BB58?

Thanks for your answer...

[dmash]

What 'old issues' are you talking about?

[adg31]

I'd like to see one in the flesh but on paper the new Tudor looks to be what the Submariner used to be - a good quality, robust tool watch that won't cost hundreds to repair if you damage the bezel.
It will be even better you stand a chance of finding one in an AD and don't have the nonsense of retaining Warranty Cards, removing stickers and copying divers licenses that seem to be becoming the norm if buying a Rolex Submariner through an AD.


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[watchmavan]

No contest. For anyone bemoaning the advent of the maxi-case, the Tudor wins hands down.


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[JacksonStone]

Originally Posted by erdemdede

What‘s the reason for an Sub instead of a BB58?

They're two different watches with different looks, attributes, price points, and (ostensibly) target markets. Neither is better nor worse; they're just different. Some people like the upscale look of the Sub, with the ceramic bezel, platinum scale, gloss dial, 904L steel, super-case design, more refined endpieces and bracelet, and Glidelock clasp. Others might prefer the more "vintage" look of the BB58. I prefer the Sub, for the reasons I've listed.

[CaputMortuum]

Originally Posted by dmash

What 'old issues' are you talking about?

I'm guessing the OP is referring to the thickness and 41 mm size of the original BB.

[capote]

Its a matter of taste

[997]

BlackBay should've been 39 since day one, it is too big and too thick at 41.
Sub is just perfect, but it's 2x the price of the BB.

[1William]

I don't think the Black Bay 58 and the Submariner 114060 are an equal comparison. If you were saying the standard BB vs. the Submariner it would be easier. The 58 is for a specific client and will sell well but it is no submariner. And that could be good or bad depending on the buyer. I like Tudor and the diversity in the line-up.

[Etschell]

nothing touches a sub in terms of dive watches imo.

i would take a subc over any other dive watch on the planet.

[jrs146]

I think the BB looks very appealing. Not sure it’s a sub replacement but nonetheless a great watch!


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[JohnMatrix]

Sub no question

[904VT]

Sub is always more accurate in current form. Glidelock. Cerachrom

[henrylee]

The BB58 fixes the issue of thickness and diameter.

[JR16]

I think for those who really want a sub, the BB58 may scratch that itch for a little bit , but not for long. Sub still wins out IMO even though I am not totally thrilled w the maxicase (have a SubC date)... if I wanted a sub and didn’t like the subC bc of the case, I would buy a 16610 or 14060M before buying a BB58. With that said, BB58 looks awesome and good chance I will add to my collection of divers.


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[eterna]

Originally Posted by henrylee

The BB58 fixes the issue of thickness and diameter.

And the color insert of the crown. I am not a fan of that.

[alexxelor]

tudor has redesigned new lines, and creates very interesting models

between the two models, I would have no doubt, I choose the tudor, but if I had to compare it with the 16610, I would choose the submariner

[Krash]

Originally Posted by erdemdede

What you think? The new Black Bay Fifty-Eight from Baselworld 2018 or the well-known Submariner (114060)?



All the old issues are now solved with the new Black Bay. It‘s smaller (imo perfect size), it‘s thinner (11.9mm) and has a nice inhouse movement. What‘s the reason for an Sub instead of a BB58?



Thanks for your answer...

It’s tough to compare the two. One is triple A. The other is major league. I like the sub (114060) about 10,000x more. I wouldn’t mind having the BB58 as a beater watch though.


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[arcadelt]

Originally Posted by Krash

It’s tough to compare the two. One is triple A. The other is major league. I like the sub (114060) about 10,000x more. I wouldn’t mind having the BB58 as a beater watch though.

Why would you need a beater if you had a 114060/116610? The SubC is the beater.

[erdemdede]

The old issues are IMHO the size, the thickness and especially the lug to lug distance.

[erdemdede]

Originally Posted by dmash

What 'old issues' are you talking about?

The old issues are IMHO the size, the thickness and especially the lug to lug distance.

[Krash]

Originally Posted by arcadelt

Why would you need a beater if you had a 114060/116610? The SubC is the beater.

This literally makes no sense.

[superstarmar]

Originally Posted by JohnMatrix

Sub no question

And no doubt!!!

[arcadelt]

Originally Posted by Krash

This literally makes no sense.

Really? Why not. The SubC is the perfect beater.

[busytimmy]

Originally Posted by arcadelt

Really? Why not. The SubC is the perfect beater.

Agreed.


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[Armyguy03]

I will say that I find the BB58 appealing, however, am wondering if I should wait until Baselworld 19 (should I start a new thread ) to see if Tudor will release a black bezel/dial version.

I really like the current look because it offers me something a bit different from my SD, but I know that if they released a noir, I would throw my money at Tudor even faster. I kinda like first world problems.

[904VT]

Originally Posted by arcadelt

Really? Why not. The SubC is the perfect beater.

Perhaps you 2 just have 2 definitions of "beater"

Both are tough watches for active life styles. Just depends on one's comfort with replacing or subjecting a particular piece to damage. If it's a Sub get it. A BB, get that. If neither, get a G Shock. I won't judge, different watches for different occasions

[Photovideopro]

Originally Posted by JR16

I think for those who really want a sub, the BB58 may scratch that itch for a little bit , but not for long.

I had this thought too. I bought my sub last month and I’m glad I did because I might have went with the BB58 instead and ended up wasting more money in the long run. The Sub is great and blows my ETA Black Bay away in terms of feeling and refinement.

[dmash]

Originally Posted by JR16

I think for those who really want a sub, the BB58 may scratch that itch for a little bit , but not for long. Sub still wins out IMO even though I am not totally thrilled w the maxicase (have a SubC date)... if I wanted a sub and didn’t like the subC bc of the case, I would buy a 16610 or 14060M before buying a BB58. With that said, BB58 looks awesome and good chance I will add to my collection of divers.


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It's taken me a bit, but I agree on other watches only 'scracthing the itch'. Nothing really beats the Sub. Omega, JLC, Breitling, Tudor....no decently comparable brand is putting out the combo Rolex does with that model. The aesthetics, durability, 5 year warranty and overall build quality are sort of unparalleled. Trust me, I've tried to find a suitable replacement for years and just finally came to terms the Sub is in a league of its own. It just works, if you want a 'do everything' timepiece that you don't need to worry about.

[dr35mm]

Submariner by a mile but the BB58 would be a great companion to a sub.