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ajn1978 · 5 April 2018, 01:32 AM

About to pull the trigger on a GMT II (16710) and am seriously torn between two watches.

Black bezel 16710 in good condition (7/10) with box & papers
Pepsi bezel 16720 in great condition (near NOS) with current RSC (till 2020) and box with spare black bezel but no original papers

The Pepsi is €300 more.

I'm looking for a Pepsi ideally but want a black bezel too to swap out occasionally (the lower price of the black is enough to buy a spare Pepsi bezel)

Can't decide which to go for!

PinotNoir · 5 April 2018, 01:40 AM

easy pick-Pepsi

you can add another bezel colorway and you can get multiple look

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r8t3d_M · 5 April 2018, 01:42 AM

No papers would be a deal breaker for me. I'd go with the black bezel 16710 and source a pepsi bezel in the future or hold off until I found another full set.

joli160 · 5 April 2018, 01:45 AM

Great condition only

liuk3 · 5 April 2018, 01:46 AM

Is the Pepsi a 16710? I think you might have a typo with the 16720 model designation?

I would go with the Pepsi and then take it to RSC to be serviced and authenticated. Then, you will have some "papers."

ras47 · 5 April 2018, 01:49 AM

As a collector, papers matter. But if you’re like me and plan to wear the watch daily, papers are superfluous. The Pepsi is the one I’d get, especially given the superior condition.

ajn1978 · 5 April 2018, 01:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by liuk3

Is the Pepsi a 16710? I think you might have a typo with the 16720 model designation?

I would go with the Pepsi and then take it to RSC to be serviced and authenticated. Then, you will have some "papers."

Yes sorry 16710! It already has RSC but no original papers.

Armyguy03 · 5 April 2018, 01:56 AM

I’d get the Pepsi. I have a black bezel insert and have never swapped it out. I have an SD so I have the black bezel arena covered. And believe me, once you go Pepsi, you’ll never go back.

ancientmariner · 5 April 2018, 01:58 AM

It is a tough call, and have had that decision to make myself.

A recent RSC service gives peace of mind watch is all correct and you can just get on and wear and enjoy it.

However some buyers must have the papers even if a watch is in worse condition. Have you seen the watches as I notice you are quoting a € price?

You can purchase an extra bezel insert for £60 from RSC UK.

ajn1978 · 5 April 2018, 02:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ancientmariner

It is a tough call, and have had that decision to make myself.

A recent RSC service gives peace of mind watch is all correct and you can just get on and wear and enjoy it.

However some buyers must have the papers even if a watch is in worse condition. Have you seen the watches as I notice you are quoting a € price?

You can purchase an extra bezel insert for £60 from RSC UK.

Only online. GMT are about £800-1000 more in the U.K. than Europe.

I think you are right. Pepsi plus rsc. It's to wear not to invest. Just see all the posts about having to have papers and get confused.

Tools · 5 April 2018, 02:42 AM

Condition is paramount.

You should not pass a mint watch for an inferior watch just because of "papers" unless there is some driver that would make it a better choice: rarity, desirable options, valuable accessories, etc.

Speed · 5 April 2018, 02:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajn1978

Only online. GMT are about £800-1000 more in the U.K. than Europe.

I think you are right. Pepsi plus rsc. It's to wear not to invest. Just see all the posts about having to have papers and get confused.

Papers matter only if you intend to resell.

Savvy buyers will try to bargain you down- by any and all means (who wouldn't) and point to the absence of papers.

LLmrol · 5 April 2018, 03:39 AM

As you won’t wear the papers id definitely go for the Pepsi if it’s in much better condition.

liuk3 · 5 April 2018, 03:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajn1978

Yes sorry 16710! It already has RSC but no original papers.

Does it come with the papers from the RSC service?

CDNWatchNut · 5 April 2018, 03:56 AM

Would be an easy call for me. The Pepsi. Watch condition trumps expired warranty papers and the current RSC service is icing on the cake.

ajn1978 · 5 April 2018, 03:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by liuk3

Does it come with the papers from the RSC service?

Yes. Comes with the new warranty card.

Bagman · 5 April 2018, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajn1978

Yes. Comes with the new warranty card.

Get the Pepsi

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liuk3 · 5 April 2018, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajn1978

Yes. Comes with the new warranty card.

I think all good on the Pepsi. :-)

jb335 · 5 April 2018, 01:46 PM

Go with the best condition one. For only 300 more. Inserts are inexpensive so Coke versus Pepsi is inconsequential.

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jb335 · 5 April 2018, 01:49 PM

A rare consensus on TRF! Get the Pepsi.

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Fabrice M · 5 April 2018, 01:57 PM

Pepsi and Coke will hold their value better. Paper isn’t a problem, the first time you get your watch serviced, you’ll get papers.

Boaters · 5 April 2018, 03:41 PM

Can't wear the papers Pepsi

WEST HAM ROLEX · 5 April 2018, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajn1978

About to pull the trigger on a GMT II (16710) and am seriously torn between two watches.

Black bezel 16710 in good condition (7/10) with box & papers
Pepsi bezel 16720 in great condition (near NOS) with current RSC (till 2020) and box with spare black bezel but no original papers

The Pepsi is €300 more.

I'm looking for a Pepsi ideally but want a black bezel too to swap out occasionally (the lower price of the black is enough to buy a spare Pepsi bezel)

Can't decide which to go for!

I would just get the one I like,,,,
Forget the 300 dollars that makes no difference

Not an easy choice - both great pieces

Onikage · 5 April 2018, 05:42 PM

Condition over papers. B+P 7/10 vs 9.5-10/10 for 300 more, and a spare insert + recent RSC service docs? No brainer.

sdh1980 · 5 April 2018, 05:57 PM

It depends whether the Pepsi is an original Pepsi... The service papers usually state 16710 BLRO if it was Pepsi from factory. A lot of them started life as a black bezel and have had them swapped out for a Pepsi

Onikage · 5 April 2018, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sdh1980

It depends whether the Pepsi is an original Pepsi... The service papers usually state 16710 BLRO if it was Pepsi from factory. A lot of them started life as a black bezel and have had them swapped out for a Pepsi

What does?

Bt122 · 5 April 2018, 08:17 PM

I’d go Pepsi if you can verify it’s original

TarponGeorge · 5 April 2018, 10:41 PM

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faz · 6 April 2018, 12:12 AM

If you are buying to hold and wear, get the better condition Pepsi.

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MCO1 · 6 April 2018, 12:52 AM

I'd go with the Pepsi if it has service papers due to the condition. Not really much difference either way but an authentic Pepsi bezel isn't the easiest thing to source for a decent price.

5 April 2018, 01:32 AM	#1
ajn1978 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: UK Posts: 35	GMT help! About to pull the trigger on a GMT II (16710) and am seriously torn between two watches. Black bezel 16710 in good condition (7/10) with box & papers Pepsi bezel 16720 in great condition (near NOS) with current RSC (till 2020) and box with spare black bezel but no original papers The Pepsi is €300 more. I'm looking for a Pepsi ideally but want a black bezel too to swap out occasionally (the lower price of the black is enough to buy a spare Pepsi bezel) Can't decide which to go for!

5 April 2018, 01:45 AM	#4
joli160 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: NL Watch: Yachtmaster Posts: 14,758	Great condition only __________________ Day Date 18238, Yachtmaster 16622, Deepsea 116660, Submariner 116619, SkyD 326935, DJ 178271, DJ 69158, Yachtmaster 169622, GMT 116713LN, GMT 126711.

5 April 2018, 01:46 AM	#5
liuk3 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,354	Is the Pepsi a 16710? I think you might have a typo with the 16720 model designation? I would go with the Pepsi and then take it to RSC to be serviced and authenticated. Then, you will have some "papers." __________________ "Appreciate your life!"

5 April 2018, 01:49 AM	#6
ras47 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Real Name: Robert Location: Northern NJ Watch: 16710 BLRO Posts: 3,064	As a collector, papers matter. But if you’re like me and plan to wear the watch daily, papers are superfluous. The Pepsi is the one I’d get, especially given the superior condition. __________________ Rolex GMT Master II BLRO 16710 Omega Speedmaster Co-Axial Chrono

5 April 2018, 01:56 AM	#8
Armyguy03 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: DM[V] Watch: 16710 \| 16600 Posts: 3,546	I’d get the Pepsi. I have a black bezel insert and have never swapped it out. I have an SD so I have the black bezel arena covered. And believe me, once you go Pepsi, you’ll never go back. __________________ Member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons

5 April 2018, 01:42 AM	#3
r8t3d_M "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Real Name: Felipe Location: NYC Watch: Me ;) Posts: 2,894	No papers would be a deal breaker for me. I'd go with the black bezel 16710 and source a pepsi bezel in the future or hold off until I found another full set.

5 April 2018, 01:58 AM	#9
ancientmariner "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Real Name: Tony Location: UK Posts: 1,174	It is a tough call, and have had that decision to make myself. A recent RSC service gives peace of mind watch is all correct and you can just get on and wear and enjoy it. However some buyers must have the papers even if a watch is in worse condition. Have you seen the watches as I notice you are quoting a € price? You can purchase an extra bezel insert for £60 from RSC UK.

5 April 2018, 02:42 AM	#11
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,514	Condition is paramount. You should not pass a mint watch for an inferior watch just because of "papers" unless there is some driver that would make it a better choice: rarity, desirable options, valuable accessories, etc. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

5 April 2018, 03:39 AM	#13
LLmrol "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Earth Posts: 143	As you won’t wear the papers id definitely go for the Pepsi if it’s in much better condition.

5 April 2018, 03:56 AM	#15
CDNWatchNut "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Real Name: Juan Location: Sherwood Park, Ab Watch: 114060 Posts: 1,509	Would be an easy call for me. The Pepsi. Watch condition trumps expired warranty papers and the current RSC service is icing on the cake.

5 April 2018, 01:46 PM	#19
jb335 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: The States Watch: Cosmograph Daytona Posts: 7,461	Go with the best condition one. For only 300 more. Inserts are inexpensive so Coke versus Pepsi is inconsequential. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

5 April 2018, 01:49 PM	#20
jb335 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: The States Watch: Cosmograph Daytona Posts: 7,461	A rare consensus on TRF! Get the Pepsi. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

5 April 2018, 01:57 PM	#21
Fabrice M 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Denver Watch: This and that... Posts: 1,649	Pepsi and Coke will hold their value better. Paper isn’t a problem, the first time you get your watch serviced, you’ll get papers.

5 April 2018, 03:41 PM	#22
Boaters 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2015 Real Name: Mike Location: Pacific Northwest Watch: 116610LV 16710 SD Posts: 10,653	Can't wear the papers Pepsi

5 April 2018, 05:42 PM	#24
Onikage "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: England Watch: 16710, 16628 Posts: 7,757	Condition over papers. B+P 7/10 vs 9.5-10/10 for 300 more, and a spare insert + recent RSC service docs? No brainer. __________________ GMT II 16710 TRADITIONAL ( D- Serial #) ROLEXFANBOY P-Club Member #4

5 April 2018, 05:57 PM	#25
sdh1980 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: London Watch: 116500 LN Posts: 361	It depends whether the Pepsi is an original Pepsi... The service papers usually state 16710 BLRO if it was Pepsi from factory. A lot of them started life as a black bezel and have had them swapped out for a Pepsi

5 April 2018, 08:17 PM	#27
Bt122 Banned Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Bi coastal Watch: Ok...Watching Posts: 937	I’d go Pepsi if you can verify it’s original

5 April 2018, 10:41 PM	#28
TarponGeorge Banned Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Southern US Posts: 112	.

6 April 2018, 12:12 AM	#29
faz "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Real Name: Faz Location: California Watch: like'em all Posts: 4,689	If you are buying to hold and wear, get the better condition Pepsi. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ -Faz Instagram @fazmoto

6 April 2018, 12:52 AM	#30
MCO1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Missouri USA Watch: Daytona C white Posts: 2,248	I'd go with the Pepsi if it has service papers due to the condition. Not really much difference either way but an authentic Pepsi bezel isn't the easiest thing to source for a decent price.

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