Comparing movements 3135 & 3235

[vitalsignsrn]

Hi All,

Is there a thread already started on this subject & if so, can you link it for me. If not, can you tell me what is the major difference? I know the power reserve is 70, which is nice to have. I’m not sure if I want to wait another year for my watch. Ive already let 3 Baselworlds go by hoping for the changes I’ve wanted but once again, like all the other years, it wasn’t meant to be this year either.

I’m eyeing a DJ 116200 blue stick dial, domed bezel & oyster bracelet. It’s not a sport model or one that’s popular so definitely can wait for the new movement to hit the SS versions next year.

Opinions welcome. :-)

[zjd168]

To most consumers the 70 hours power reserve is the only tangible difference.

To me for a daily watch that is very important. That will keep the watch running on Monday morning after I take it off Friday evening. Today my BLNR can't do that and for me I consider that as its biggest "drawback". One watch guy won't have this issue though.

For the above reason I am waiting for the 36 dj with the new movement.

[dr35mm]

I'm not a movement geek so I can spot 2 main differences, 70 hours power reserve and service should be done every 10 years instead of the 5-6 years.

Go for the DJ, 3135 is a great movement, accurate, reliable and service friendly.

[Wcdhtwn]

I believe there is also improvement in the shock absorption, so it can take more of a beating.


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[christo4]

There are a number of reviews out there if you google it.

Here's one...

http://calibercorner.com/rolex-caliber-3235/

[breitlings]

I think the auto winding system may be slightly upgraded, and more durable.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by dr35mm

I'm not a movement geek so I can spot 2 main differences, 70 hours power reserve and service should be done every 10 years instead of the 5-6 years.

That's all very well and good in theory.
I would fully expect the new movement would maintain its performance rating over a longer service interval.

Consider this.
The issue about service intervals has been floated around a lot since Omega brought the Co-axial escapement to market and they started to talk in real terms about the time between services being pushed out to 7-8 years or more from the original 5-6 or even 7 years.
It all depends upon too many factors to say with any certainty.

In frank discussions with a dedicated Omega watchmaker who is fully qualified to work on Co-axials.
He said it's all well and good for the manufacturers to talk of the prospect of longer service intervals when they are referencing the newer escapements.
But everybody overlooks the requirement for other parts of the movement to be properly lubricated(namely pinions). None of which have fundamentally changed in a good many decades.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by breitlings

I think the auto winding system may be slightly upgraded, and more durable.

The only upgrade per se, is the bearing mount for the oscillating weight has been replaced by a roller.
The method for mounting the bearing has changed so that it can't be replaced at service without discarding the whole oscillating assembly.
The older method and design is a serviceable item.

Whether it's an upgrade is a matter of opinion.
Wait until the service bills need to be paid and we will see.

Probably the single biggest improvement with the new movement is the Chronergy escapement itself

[Krash]

Originally Posted by Wcdhtwn

I believe there is also improvement in the shock absorption, so it can take more of a beating.


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It's more anti-magnetic too, although I am not sure how much more. Maybe someone else can speak to how significant of an improvement it is.

[Houston77]

My DJ 41 gains about a second a week. So, yeah, I'm happy with the 3235.

[vitalsignsrn]

Thanks guys for weighing in. I didn’t realize that servicing intervals were lengthened. There might be enough changes for me to wait. I did try on the the DJ 41 & it’s not that small. :-/. Overall, I’m most comfortable with the 36 so either I continue to wait or buy the current model which will actually give me some time to check out the Tudor BB 36 new blue dial. Lol. For 1/2 the price, I’d go with an ETA movement. ;-). I’m not hard on my watches & to be honest, since owning my DJ or my Sub have I ever paid attention to how much time they gain or lose.

Thanks Christo4 for the link. :-)

Summary:
Lengthened service interval from 5 to approx. 10 yes
New shock absorption
More antimagnetic
Bearing mount is replaced by a roller which either will or won’t be costlier at service
Auto winding upgraded
70 hr power reserve

[904VT]

Originally Posted by vitalsignsrn

Thanks guys for weighing in. I didn’t realize that servicing intervals were lengthened. There might be enough changes for me to wait. I did try on the the DJ 41 & it’s not that small. :-/. Overall, I’m most comfortable with the 36 so either I continue to wait or buy the current model which will actually give me some time to check out the Tudor BB 36 new blue dial. Lol. For 1/2 the price, I’d go with an ETA movement. ;-). I’m not hard on my watches & to be honest, since owning my DJ or my Sub have I ever paid attention to how much time they gain or lose.

Thanks Christo4 for the link. :-)

Summary:
Lengthened service interval from 5 to approx. 10 yes
New shock absorption
More antimagnetic
Bearing mount is replaced by a roller which either will or won’t be costlier at service
Auto winding upgraded
70 hr power reserve

If there is another thread, I may have missed. A sad state of affairs when more "Is it Safe Threads" than 3235 vs 3135.

You guys hit most of the points above. I'll add that the service interval increase was not exclusive to the 3235 movements, but all movements from ~ late Summer/Fall 2015. All those that got the green tags have same guarantees/recommendations. I have a 2016 3135 Sub with. Also, more than likely the ball bearing on the rotor won't be a huge issue, because it will probably last longer between replacements.

It still doesn't have the Syloxi hairspring unfortunately

[peterskinner]

Originally Posted by dr35mm

I'm not a movement geek so I can spot 2 main differences, 70 hours power reserve and service should be done every 10 years instead of the 5-6 years.

Sadly, that's not correct. ADs claim this, but Rolex has never said any such thing. The error comes from a Rolex letter to their ADs which actually said that a survey showed that the typical owner had his Rolex serviced every ten years. Rolex was careful not to endorse this behaviour. It has never publicly recommended a specific number of years between services.
It just suits sales people to claim otherwise, leaving Rolex free to deny liability.

[Luv rolex]

Interesting thread, so do you expert out there thinks that the new generation is a huge step up to the previous generation???

[Luv rolex]

Originally Posted by 904VT

If there is another thread, I may have missed. A sad state of affairs when more "Is it Safe Threads" than 3235 vs 3135.

You guys hit most of the points above. I'll add that the service interval increase was not exclusive to the 3235 movements, but all movements from ~ late Summer/Fall 2015. All those that got the green tags have same guarantees/recommendations. I have a 2016 3135 Sub with. Also, more than likely the ball bearing on the rotor won't be a huge issue, because it will probably last longer between replacements.

It still doesn't have the Syloxi hairspring unfortunately

what exactly differ from fall/ summer 2015 that lenghted the service intervals??

[Limitless]

Originally Posted by christo4

There are a number of reviews out there if you google it.

Here's one...

http://calibercorner.com/rolex-caliber-3235/

thanks for sharing

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by vitalsignsrn

Lengthened service interval from 5 to approx. 10 yes

The lengthened service interval is only "implied" and not even suggested.
It is not actually endorsed by Rolex in any way or form.

The Automatic winding system is a major factor which contributes to servicing requirements and the new roller(type) bearing may very well go a long way to extending service intervals with the new synthetic lubes.

To give some background.
This extended service interval business started when Omega brought out their own in-house Co-axial movements and they stated up to 7 or 8 years between services, which is up from the well established traditional industry standard of about 5-7 years.
I think Rolex were motivated to come up with a figure that could out do Omega's numbers by a tangible amount.
Hence the reference to the mythical nice round number of 10 years which was woven into the letter to dealers from which it first sprouted forth.

From personal experience.
For decades, I have had automatic watches with both types of bearing mounted axles on the Oscillating weight none was evidently better than the other and service requirements were remarkably similar at the end of the day.
It's my dream to be able to get anything close to 6 years out of my watches for a daily worn piece.

There are way too many variables which contribute to the trigger for a service.
I have heard of more than 20 years in some instances for the older 15xx series movements.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by Luv rolex

what exactly differ from fall/ summer 2015 that lenghted the service intervals??

Nothing happened in that period that lengthened service intervals.
It was literally fake news, pure and simple.

It was a figure put out in the Ether by Rolex which was cleverly contained within or woven into a letter to dealers that was primarily about the new in-house accuracy standard that Rolex was applying to all their movements, along with an extension of the factory warranty from 2 to 3 years for some watches over a given production period whilst transitioning to the current 5 year warranty period which is in place from now on.

It simply stated, that a typical service interval was 10 years.
Make of that what you will

Somehow the letter was leaked to some dipsh*t journalist on the internet that put 2 and 2 together and came up with 5.