Is it difficult to obtain an AP 15400 or 15202 (Jumbo) from an AD?

[scarlet knight]

As a multiple Rolex owner, I am aware that certain Rolex models are very difficult to obtain. If I want to buy a Royal Oak from an AD with whom I have a good relationship, are they readily available?

[jb335]

15202 is a very hard watch to buy.

15400 much less so, especially the dials other than the blue.


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[jb335]

The 15202 is the Daytona C of AP.

I know someone will be offended by that....


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[scarlet knight]

I get the reference and I am not offended. I am on an imaginary Daytona C waiting list.

Thanks for the info!

[Rachdanon]

BNIB 15400 non-blue is even in the grey market at a discount, so no its not that difficult.

[AK797]

Black and white should be buyable in the US, not so easy in other places.

[HL65]

15202 yes very difficult now the 15400 not so much.

[DGB]

I ordered a 15202, I will get it in October, that’s not too bad, and no where near the waiting time for a Daytona .

[goog53]

Last I heard (4 months ago), It was impossible for most ADs to get a 15202ST. It isnt officially a boutique piece but they are limiting the supply and only shipping to Boutiques was my impression.

[benlee]

15400 should not be difficult. Most boutique stock one or two, or at worst, just wait a few weeks for them to bring in. The blue dial will be more difficult. Jumbo has long wait list, as with all other difficult to get pieces. But again, one can always jump queue by buying some other pieces to boost your chances or simply knowing the correct people + luck, as I found out recently.

[AK797]

Originally Posted by benlee

15400 should not be difficult. Most boutique stock one or two, or at worst, just wait a few weeks for them to bring in. The blue dial will be more difficult. Jumbo has long wait list, as with all other difficult to get pieces. But again, one can always jump queue by buying some other pieces to boost your chances or simply knowing the correct people + luck, as I found out recently.

Would this apply to the 5711R? Would it help get you one quicker?

[SC11]

Region dependant really, here in the UK one could be had within a few months late last year, it’s now more like 7/8 months from what I’ve heard.

Also lists are dynamic, so your relationship with the AD will have some bearing on where you’ll be placed on the list and this can increase or decrease at anytime but if you have faith in the AD register your interest and wait for the call.

Too many start to feel entitled about places on these lists, I really think they should just be a list of interested buyers with no one first or last it’s down to the AD/Brand to decide where and to whom the watch is allocated.

But like above being a big buyer can help, but then so can being passionate about a brand, attending the events etc and just showing your love of this hobby can help you secure these pieces at the end of the day with the effects of social media is buyer are all embassadors for these brands and they know this.

[benlee]

Originally Posted by AK797

Would this apply to the 5711R? Would it help get you one quicker?

I don't know if this applies to Patek. I guess so if from AD. I hope to get mine "soon". Fingers crossed.... But I am not having my hopes high in case I get disappointed.

[benlee]

Originally Posted by SC11

But like above being a big buyer can help, but then so can being passionate about a brand, attending the events etc and just showing your love of this hobby can help you secure these pieces at the end of the day with the effects of social media is buyer are all embassadors for these brands and they know this.

I doubt so. First, they only invite you to events when you made a fresh purchase. If there isn't repeat purchase after certain time, then the invitations kind of dry up. I think your case is probably an exception than the rule. That's why I said luck plays a part. Passion doesn't counts for much at the end of the day if it doesn't bring revenue to AP.

[SC11]

Originally Posted by benlee

I doubt so. First, they only invite you to events when you made a fresh purchase. If there isn't repeat purchase after certain time, then the invitations kind of dry up. I think your case is probably an exception than the rule. That's why I said luck plays a part. Passion doesn't counts for much at the end of the day if it doesn't bring revenue to AP.

Again this is region dependant! I have only one purchase directly with AP and one via an AD yet I have been treated like a highly valued client, I guess the UK lounge has a much smaller client base which obviously helps this.

Maybe let’s just agree to disagree on this subject.

[AshAP]

[QUOTE=SC11;


But like above being a big buyer can help, but then so can being passionate about a brand, attending the events etc and just showing your love of this hobby can help you secure these pieces at the end of the day with the effects of social media is buyer are all embassadors for these brands and they know this.[/QUOTE]



Agree with this. In some respects I think the passion for the brand is more important to the people controlling the supply.


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[AshAP]

Originally Posted by AshAP

Agree with this. In some respects I think the passion for the brand is more important to the people controlling the supply.


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......Was meant to say that I agree with Sam’s comment.


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[benlee]

Originally Posted by SC11

Again this is region dependant! I have only one purchase directly with AP and one via an AD yet I have been treated like a highly valued client, I guess the UK lounge has a much smaller client base which obviously helps this.

Then AP is being highly inconsistent then? Anyway, I disagree with you about just having passion being a sufficient or even a strong criteria to be considered for hard to obtain pieces.

[Muzz]

Originally Posted by benlee

15400 should not be difficult. Most boutique stock one or two, or at worst, just wait a few weeks for them to bring in. The blue dial will be more difficult. Jumbo has long wait list, as with all other difficult to get pieces. But again, one can always jump queue by buying some other pieces to boost your chances or simply knowing the correct people + luck, as I found out recently.

It isn’t something new, how long have you been in the watch game?

If you have an established relationship with any AD you would know how it works.

VIP customers do not have to buy other models to get the ones they want.

[P2725TMB]

Originally Posted by benlee

I doubt so. First, they only invite you to events when you made a fresh purchase. If there isn't repeat purchase after certain time, then the invitations kind of dry up. I think your case is probably an exception than the rule. That's why I said luck plays a part. Passion doesn't counts for much at the end of the day if it doesn't bring revenue to AP.

I'd tend to agree. But at the end of the day AP is a business and so it will make logical sense that if one doesn't buy from them after a given period of time they may fall back on the 'priority' list, particularly if they have to be selective due to numbers. Makes perfect sense. Whilst I assume I'm quite well positioned at the moment, I'm under no illusion that if I didn't buy an AP for two years or so I'd likely slip back.

Equally relationships will make a difference and ultimately as a business AP aren't bound to sell a piece to any one and its their discretion who goes first. May not seem fair but it's the way it is in many commercial things.

[AshAP]

Originally Posted by benlee

Then AP is being highly inconsistent then? Anyway, I disagree with you about just having passion being a sufficient or even a strong criteria to be considered for hard to obtain pieces.

Ben I’ve witnessed this myself and not just with AP. The brands want these special watches to be worn and seen. The guy who shows that’s he’s extremely passionate is a safe bet that the watch isn’t just going to end up in a safe or in the hands of grey dealers.


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[SC11]

Originally Posted by benlee

Then AP is being highly inconsistent then? Anyway, I disagree with you about just having passion being a sufficient or even a strong criteria to be considered for hard to obtain pieces.

Remember you did reach out to me about the UK lounge and I gave you the best contact details, maybe you should try the UK route as it does appear they have a smaller market and much more client value based.

[benlee]

Originally Posted by SC11

Remember you did reach out to me about the UK lounge and I gave you the best contact details, maybe you should try the UK route as it does appear they have a smaller market and much more client value based.

I will send you a PM.

[P2725TMB]

Originally Posted by AshAP

Ben I’ve witnessed this myself and not just with AP. The brands want these special watches to be worn and seen. The guy who shows that’s he’s extremely passionate is a safe bet that the watch isn’t just going to end up in a safe or in the hands of grey dealers.


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I've been told this too. How strict it is I don't know, but I've been told by someone in authority that given the choice AP prefer to sell watches to people who are likely to wear and enjoy them, not just leave in a safe as investments.

[AK797]

Originally Posted by P2725TMB

I've been told this too. How strict it is I don't know, but I've been told by someone in authority that given the choice AP prefer to sell watches to people who are likely to wear and enjoy them, not just leave in a safe as investments.

I should have told them about my post count, I'd own half the firm by now...

[benlee]

Originally Posted by AK797

I should have told them about my post count, I'd own half the firm by now...

[Plai]

In Canada we only have 2 AP AD, no boutiques. Both AD are unable to order 15202st and 15400/15450st blue. Ridiculous really.

[Bt122]

I don’t have trouble sourcing on either coast for 15400, just the blue 15400 and 15202 is out years.

[sya]

A little off topic, also interested in 15400, does this look too big on me? Wrist size is a little below 6.5"

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[HK Islandboy]

Originally Posted by sya

A little off topic, also interested in 15400, does this look too big on me? Wrist size is a little below 6.5"

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Hard to tell from a close up wrist shot, but based on these, I’d expect the 15202 would look better