15400 availability in US?

[ILikeTacos]

Hello all,

A friend of mine is looking to purchase a 15400 but all the boutiques seems to be sold out. I called the couple ADs I have bought from and they are all sold out too, and have deposits for the next few. Is there currently a run on these? Does anyone know of one at an AD in the US where we can buy it? Open to any dial color.


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[agsstructures]

Originally Posted by ILikeTacos

Hello all,

A friend of mine is looking to purchase a 15400 but all the boutiques seems to be sold out. I called the couple ADs I have bought from and they are all sold out too, and have deposits for the next few. Is there currently a run on these? Does anyone know of one at an AD in the US where we can buy it? Open to any dial color.


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Try the 57th Street Boutiqie in NYC. They had a silver dial when I was there a few weeks back. May be gone by now but don’t think they have a long wait for that particular color.

[ILikeTacos]

They sold it already and next few are spoken for! They said maybe by end of year.


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[JCZ5]

Going to be very difficult in the US, especially when it’s basically boutique only. And there is a long waiting list everywhere, was looking for one myself. Best bet to get it now would be from a grey


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[yudjiawan13]

Try to call AP boutique in Las Vegas. I went there 2 weeks ago and they had the 15400 in black dial

[tyler1980]

Houston AD. They almost always have one non blue 15400.
Give them a call.

[walds11]

It’s amazing how the AD and boutique supply has drastically tanked in such a short period of time with the SS Royal Oaks, even the non-blue dial colors. What’s causing this? Is it really a supply/demand thing?

Go grey if you want it now.

[ILikeTacos]

Thanks for the input guys, Vegas sold out (but potentially they don’t want to deal over the phone) and the Houston AD is actually one where I have a purchasing relationship. They have pretty decent inventory right now but no 15400s unfortunately and similarly deposits on the next few.


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[bruinmd]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

Houston AD. They almost always have one non blue 15400.
Give them a call.

they don't have any stock right now (no stainless steel, anyway). They do have the gold with blue dial version in stock, which is the one I tried on and posted pics of

[DR.Golf]

The boutiques receive far more than the AD’s and have fewer mouths to feed. The AD has the unenviable position to supply watches to the supporters of other brands. When their largest PP client says they want an AP they clearly will have priority. The boutiques in the US have a large pool to draw from and receive far more than any AD. With AP so hot right now and their move toward vertical integration finding a 15400 at a AD will prove to be tougher than before.

Keep in mind the factory has a summer closure. The boutiques receive their stock once per week and have only a couple weeks to go prior to the annual shutdown. Once the factory reopens stock will still be dry for some time. I was told yesterday two more shipments are arriving prior to the shutdown.

The boutiques do not like to deal strictly over the phone but prefer to know their clients. If you can’t get in front of a boutique the best way to get a RO (or anything tough to land) is to find a SA and build a report with them on the phone if that is the best you can do. Let them know what you collect, how often you purchase and how many AP you own and want to own. Send them pics of your collection and forge a relationship. Make them want you as a client

Discounts for AP will be minimal if at all going forward and the relationship is worth investing in if you are a serious collector. Get on the list for what you want, it often takes less time than they state. There are some who order a dial having not seen it and when it comes in they don’t love it, or the timing is no longer riight.

[GB-man]

You need to stop by in person these days for in demand watches. I would recommend an in person visit to 57th or Bal harbor and get on a waiting list. Once they have met you and know your face it’s easier to deal over the phone. With that said, when it comes to boutique orders you need to wait your turn in line. However, unlike an AD the boutique has accurate time estimates because they know exactly how many to expect and they stick to their word.

[walds11]

Originally Posted by GB-man

You need to stop by in person these days for in demand watches. I would recommend an in person visit to 57th or Bal harbor and get on a waiting list. Once they have met you and know your face it’s easier to deal over the phone. With that said, when it comes to boutique orders you need to wait your turn in line. However, unlike an AD the boutique has accurate time estimates because they know exactly how many to expect and they stick to their word.

Maybe I’m an exception to the rule:

I ordered a 15450ST blue dial from the Miami Boutique by Westime mid-March via telephone. It arrived at the boutique earlier this week. I was on holiday in Cancun this week, so I won't receive it until early next week. I have no previous purchase history so I consider myself lucky :) They initially quoted two month delivery, but it ended up being about 3 1/2 months. They are sold out of this model until 2019.

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by walds11

Maybe I’m an exception to the rule:

I ordered a 15450ST blue dial from the Miami Boutique by Westime mid-March via telephone. It arrived at the boutique earlier this week. I was on holiday in Cancun this week, so I won't receive it until early next week. I have no previous purchase history so I consider myself lucky :) They initially quoted two month delivery, but it ended up being about 3 1/2 months. They are sold out of this model until 2019.

I think the 15450 WAS a bit easier to source but now days even those are becoming more scarce particularly blue dials of course.

I remember when my AD was offering me nearly 30% off of virtually any royal oak I wanted. Those days are apparently over.

I guess what I’m sayin is putting a name to a face goes a long way in this market. You’re someone they remember not just one of the 100 people that call per day asking for a jumbo etc etc

[walds11]

Originally Posted by GB-man

I think the 15450 WAS a bit easier to source but now days even those are becoming more scarce particularly blue dials of course.

I remember when my AD was offering me nearly 30% off of virtually any royal oak I wanted. Those days are apparently over.

I guess what I’m sayin is putting a name to a face goes a long way in this market. You’re someone they remember not just one of the 100 people that call per day asking for a jumbo etc etc

Yes it is WAS, now it’s not They are going for a $2-3K+ premium now. The times have changed.

Yep, I agree with putting a name to a face...

[supersam80]

Very envious of you guys who can actually put face to face time in at a boutique

It's not easy when your nearest is a six hour flight away....

[ILikeTacos]

I agree, the market has become very different with the verticalization towards boutiques. We were able to get one at an AD on the West Coast so fortunately all settled now, but looks like this will be the new normal for the time being.

One of the ADs I spoke with told me that the simple ROs are getting an influx of demand from all the buyers who want a Nautilus but can’t get one. He carries both AP and PP and says his customers compare the value of the royal oak line to the nautilus and are now more regularly going for the royal oak (even those that have the status to get a nautilus relatively soon). He says that corporate is obviously well aware of this and has been cutting SS Royal Oak allocations to all ADs and pushing them to boutiques as well.

Interesting times we live in!


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[walds11]

Originally Posted by ILikeTacos

I agree, the market has become very different with the verticalization towards boutiques. We were able to get one at an AD on the West Coast so fortunately all settled now, but looks like this will be the new normal for the time being.

One of the ADs I spoke with told me that the simple ROs are getting an influx of demand from all the buyers who want a Nautilus but can’t get one. He carries both AP and PP and says his customers compare the value of the royal oak line to the nautilus and are now more regularly going for the royal oak (even those that have the status to get a nautilus relatively soon). He says that corporate is obviously well aware of this and has been cutting SS Royal Oak allocations to all ADs and pushing them to boutiques as well.

Interesting times we live in!

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Congrats on getting your timepiece and thanks for sharing this informative feedback. I’m one of those buyers who want a Nautilus, but can’t get one (at MSRP)

I’m wondering if AP is gonna do a price increase on SS Royal Oaks? Kinda like PP did on the Nautilus 5711/1A. I think the SS Royal Oaks are undervalued at current MSRPs.

[ILikeTacos]

Originally Posted by walds11

Congrats on getting your timepiece and thanks for sharing this informative feedback. I’m one of those buyers who want a Nautilus, but can’t get one (at MSRP)



I’m wondering if AP is gonna do a price increase on SS Royal Oaks? Kinda like PP did on the Nautilus 5711/1A. I think the SS Royal Oaks are undervalued at current MSRPs.

I’d be surprised if they raised their prices in the near term - the RO is getting harder to get but still obtainable within a year (blue dial notwithstanding). Grey prices are also not that high if you consider the all in price including sales tax. I think if anything, discounts will completely disappear in the SS realm (pretty much already have) and it will become increasingly required to build a relationship with a boutique to get one. Hopefully we don’t get to the point where we have to buy a gold piece or a millenary to get a 15202!


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[walds11]

Originally Posted by ILikeTacos

I’d be surprised if they raised their prices in the near term - the RO is getting harder to get but still obtainable within a year (blue dial notwithstanding). Grey prices are also not that high if you consider the all in price including sales tax. I think if anything, discounts will completely disappear in the SS realm (pretty much already have) and it will become increasingly required to build a relationship with a boutique to get one. Hopefully we don’t get to the point where we have to buy a gold piece or a millenary to get a 15202!

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10-4

I still think the SS Royal Oak is undervalued...15400ST at $17,800 and 15450ST at $17,500. Even the 15202ST at $22,700

[bruinmd]

Originally Posted by walds11

10-4

I still think the SS Royal Oak is undervalued...15400ST at $17,800 and 15450ST at $17,500. Even the 15202ST at $22,700

This is where I respectfully disagree.

I think the RO is priced about where it should be, when you consider that, at the end of the day, it's a SS watch.

I think it's utter madness that a 5711 has now climbed to $29,900, and even greater madness that it's going for $55K+ on the secondary market.

$30K for a SS watch-- even a Patek-- is craziness, when you think about the fact you can a buy PM Daytona for about $1500 less.

But this is the new world we live in -- where SS sports watches are now reaching or exceeding PM watches of the same brands they represent- at least on the secondary market (specifically, PP, AP, and Rolex)

[walds11]

Originally Posted by bruinmd

This is where I respectfully disagree.

I think the RO is priced about where it should be, when you consider that, at the end of the day, it's a SS watch.

I think it's utter madness that a 5711 has now climbed to $29,900, and even greater madness that it's going for $55K+ on the secondary market.

$30K for a SS watch-- even a Patek-- is craziness, when you think about the fact you can a buy PM Daytona for about $1500 less.

But this is the new world we live in -- where SS sports watches are now reaching or exceeding PM watches of the same brands they represent- at least on the secondary market (specifically, PP, AP, and Rolex)

I respectfully agree. What do I know Is it fair to say that the RO is a better value vs. the 5711?

[bruinmd]

Originally Posted by walds11

I respectfully agree. What do I know Is it fair to say that the RO is a better value vs. the 5711?

lol......that's what makes this forum so great........ a great variety of view points on something we all love.

I honestly don't know the answer to that question, but I would guess, yes, it is .......I'm just grateful I'm much more of an AP RO fan than a PP Nautilus fan, b/c if I wasn't, I would be pretty bummed.

[ILikeTacos]

Originally Posted by walds11

I respectfully agree. What do I know Is it fair to say that the RO is a better value vs. the 5711?

All relative for sure but for me, yes. The more I think about it - the 5711 surely has the status value signaling that you have access to an incredibly desirous model but in terms of the actual watch and history the Royal Oak is unimpeachable. I believe the production numbers between both brands are pretty similar as well. Both great watches and have room in a collection for both, but the premium for the Nautilus not worth it IMO.


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[Malren]

If I can get the 15400 Blue dial by June 2019 from a boutique, should I go for it? Or is the wait too long?

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by walds11

I respectfully agree. What do I know Is it fair to say that the RO is a better value vs. the 5711?

IMO for a 15202 probably a better value, for a 15400 no despite the fact its less expensive. A 15400 isnt an apples to apples comparison to a 5711 to me.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by ILikeTacos

All relative for sure but for me, yes. The more I think about it - the 5711 surely has the status value signaling that you have access to an incredibly desirous model but in terms of the actual watch and history the Royal Oak is unimpeachable. I believe the production numbers between both brands are pretty similar as well. Both great watches and have room in a collection for both, but the premium for the Nautilus not worth it IMO.


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simple RO vs simple Nautilus i disagree but overall production its probably pretty close. Only because there are many 15400 variants and metals and there is a 15202 in multiple metals and there are 15450s in multiple variants and metals vs 2 SS 5711 and one RG 5711 version. There are way more time/date RO's floating around because there are so many more versions of the watch between 37 and 41mm than Patek variants.

AP probably makes more basic version RO's than any other watch and im guessing Patek makes more basic versions of calatravas than any other watch as those are each brands bread and butter watches.

[benlee]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

IMO for a 15202 probably a better value, for a 15400 no despite the fact its less expensive. A 15400 isnt an apples to apples comparison to a 5711 to me.

+1. 15202 and 5711 are ultra thin, which makes it more challenging to make.

[benlee]

Originally Posted by ILikeTacos

Hello all,

A friend of mine is looking to purchase a 15400 but all the boutiques seems to be sold out. I called the couple ADs I have bought from and they are all sold out too, and have deposits for the next few. Is there currently a run on these? Does anyone know of one at an AD in the US where we can buy it? Open to any dial color.


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If your friend have trips to the Far East, you can ask him to goto HK, SG or Tokyo. The boutiques there usually stock at least one piece of 15400 SS. Either silver, black or grey but not the blue. The last time I visited few months back they still have stock as described.

[shafran]

Bal harbour had black, silver, Brickell had silver/white

[ILikeTacos]

Originally Posted by shafran

Bal harbour had black, silver, Brickell had silver/white

Thanks, when I spoke to both on Saturday they said they were sold out. Could have been that they did not want to deal on the phone. My buddy was able to get one from an AD in LA so all set now.

P.s. I grew up in Woodmere! Great seeing a fellow 5-Towner on here