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hubbio · 4 January 2009, 06:56 AM

Hello my name is Bill This is my first post and I wanted to introduce myself and hopefully get some advice at the same time.
I found an Auth Rolex dealer that if your credit is even just ok will give you a new Rolex and you can make payments for 12 months at 1.5 % int which isa lot better than putting up all the cash at once for a watch.
The problem is... I don't know whether to buy the Sub or Sd. They have 1 Sd left over (M series) and NO subs until Rolex opens back up in 1 or 2 weeks. I'm not really in a hurry but with only 1 SD left, if I think about it too long it will be gone. I LOVE both of them but can only purchase one. Maybe one of you can shed some insight as to which one will have more value in the long run or some other favorable technical aspect that I may have overlooked making my choice a no-brainer.
Which is the better of the two? !!!
Thanks for reading and Cheers !! to everyone here on the forum....Bill

onkyo · 4 January 2009, 07:04 AM

Grab the SD. I love the no cyclops look and it is discontinued so should appreciate over time. I don't know about the financing though. Most AD will give some discount off MSRP if you pay the balance at time of purchase. Will they still give a discount if you finance it?

I am not into financing luxury items. A house, car, education, etc (the necessities) make sense but a Rolex?? What if you lose your job? Is it worth getting bad credit over a watch?? Good luck!

hubbio · 4 January 2009, 07:13 AM

Yes I can get it for 5760.00 deliverd to my house. Plus he will give me a SD kit for free

WatchTimes · 4 January 2009, 07:26 AM

I vote for the SD BUT most here will vote Sub as its more common.

I picked the SD as I did not like the Cyclops.

You can't go wrong with either.

karmatp · 4 January 2009, 07:27 AM

There is no clear winner or one that is better than the other. You really need to see which one is most comfortable on your wrist, that is what is important. Does the cyclops bother you? If so maybe the SD is a better choice. The SD is heavier and not as comfortable on the wrist, but it's not my wrist so you need to figure out which one you will be the happiest with. They are both fantastic watches, but they are different, you need to do some comparing of your own.

hubbio · 4 January 2009, 07:30 AM

It is a very tough choice. I don't know if after Baselworld this year Rolex will come up with an new Sub though.But if they do,I probably won't be able to afford it anyway.
Thanks...Bill

wantonebad · 4 January 2009, 07:30 AM

I'm a Sub man myself, the SD is nice but not for me

cody p · 4 January 2009, 07:34 AM

Sd

hubbio · 4 January 2009, 07:36 AM

The only thing I don't like about either one (besides the price) is the 904L is hard to polish swirlies out of. If you try it by hand it doesn't work and If you use a Dremel the min 5000 rpm speed is too fast and seems to burn the finished surface. I have used Dialux green rouge and a non abrasive German polish called WENOL.If anyone has advice on maintaining that polished surface ,that would be Great!

wantonebad · 4 January 2009, 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hubbio

The only thing I don't like about either one (besides the price) is the 904L is hard to polish swirlies out of. If you try it by hand it doesn't work and If you use a Dremel the min 5000 rpm speed is too fast and seems to burn the finished surface. I have used Dialux green rouge and a non abrasive German polish called WENOL.If anyone has advice on maintaining that polished surface ,that would be Great!

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hubbio · 4 January 2009, 07:47 AM

The Cape Cod cloths seem to scratch the surface and seem to make it worse. the finishing pads are great though! I think using a better finish grade rouge with a slower rpm would be the ticket.But the Dremel's min speed is 5000 rpm. I have noticed the pro grade buffers have a fixed rpm of 3450 or something like that. Thanks....Bill

greenfan · 4 January 2009, 07:53 AM

I prefer the Sub, it's more classical...

rijowysock · 4 January 2009, 07:57 AM

i personally hate people asking me "is that a rolex" so i prefer the SD... without the cyclops most people that are not well versed on rolex will think its fake which i actually prefer... and the case/caseback/crystal and bracelet layout i prefer more as well..

subs are nice, thinner.... and more common... but the popping out crystal with the helium escape valve are more exciting to me...

hubbio · 4 January 2009, 07:59 AM

Yasou! to you in Greece!!

milspec · 4 January 2009, 08:47 AM

Sd ... Sd ... Sd ... Sd ... Sd ... Sd ... Sd ...

And here is cool article to help you decide:
http://forums.timezone.com/?t=rview&...5&goto=1178598

nauticalmariner · 4 January 2009, 08:50 AM

I dated a girl once who's uncle owned an AD. He said that the Sub would have more resell value then the SD because it is more commonly purchased and sought after. However, being that the SD has been discontinued to the bold DEEPSEA it could appreciate in value over time. Both will hold their value and both will look great, it's a toughy but you'll be happy either way.
ES

argee1977 · 4 January 2009, 08:52 AM

I prefer the Sub, the SD is just a step too far for a tool watch, it has a smaller dial, sits higher on the wrist and has quite possibly the most useless addition with the HE valve.

The Sub is a classic, it is as much as you'll ever need for a tool watch and has a clearer dial with the love it or hate it cyclops giving you easier reading of the date.

milspec · 4 January 2009, 08:54 AM

I agree that both will look great ... the coolest part about the SD for me is the smaller crystal and how the bezel narrows as you moves upwards, giving the appearance that the display crystal is more fortified and reinforced ... just looks tough ....

On the sub, the crystal is wider, less steeper is the bezel angle and the crystal looks more exposed to damage,,,,

timackerman · 4 January 2009, 08:56 AM

I own a Sub, but I would say go for the SD.

You can always pick up a Sub later in life

hubbio · 4 January 2009, 09:19 AM

THANKS For All of your Replies I'm still not 100% sure but I have until Monday morning to sleep on it. They are both nice watches! I am thinking the SD will be a bit more collectable because it is no longer made.But... However...the Sub has that unmistakable look that you can detect given the slightest glance. As far as the bracelet goes the only difference is that the top and bottom of the links are polished on the SD and not on the Sub. A brushed finish is easier to maintain and does not get scuffed quite as easily.The bracelet I beliece is 316SS but the case is 904L and is a bitch to keep mint.It gets swirlies just by looking at it.The 316 is much easier to buff out periodically.
The other thing is the crystal sticks up further on the SD because it is thicker and I am afraid of catching the edge on something and putting a chip in it.The date magnifier is a nice feature but not really a selling point to me. But that is the one 'signature' feature that makes it a Sub. The dealer said he would include a NOS, SD kit that is no longer included with the new ones, which is a nice little bonus. So.. I'm leaning towards th SD
but I probably won't decide until I'm on the phone with him on Monday.
Again thanks to all !!!

Mrdi · 4 January 2009, 09:21 AM

Not a tough decision
Owned both
There is no comparison
Sea Dweller !!

hubbio · 4 January 2009, 09:24 AM

what do you mean by 'No Comparison'

Xenophon · 4 January 2009, 09:41 AM

If you plan to dive then get a sub non date, the dial is slightly bigger than the Sea-Dweller and the thinner profile doesn't snag and catch so much when on your wrist in dive kit. The sub dates cyclops lense can get in the way reading the minute hand underwater

FLAJIM · 4 January 2009, 09:45 AM

SEA DWELLER Hands Down !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

watchthisone2 · 4 January 2009, 10:17 AM

Get the SD.
I do not know, but I bet someone does the ratio of Subs to SD's ever made. The SD will always be a rarer watch.
Good luck!!

BZA · 4 January 2009, 10:30 AM

Sub is an icon. Cyclops is cool.

But my 2c is to go with the SD - you will love it! A touch more exotic than a sub.

Letsgodiving · 4 January 2009, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hubbio

THANKS For All of your Replies I'm still not 100% sure but I have until Monday morning to sleep on it. They are both nice watches! I am thinking the SD will be a bit more collectable because it is no longer made.But... However...the Sub has that unmistakable look that you can detect given the slightest glance. As far as the bracelet goes the only difference is that the top and bottom of the links are polished on the SD and not on the Sub. A brushed finish is easier to maintain and does not get scuffed quite as easily.The bracelet I beliece is 316SS but the case is 904L and is a bitch to keep mint.It gets swirlies just by looking at it.The 316 is much easier to buff out periodically.
The other thing is the crystal sticks up further on the SD because it is thicker and I am afraid of catching the edge on something and putting a chip in it.The date magnifier is a nice feature but not really a selling point to me. But that is the one 'signature' feature that makes it a Sub. The dealer said he would include a NOS, SD kit that is no longer included with the new ones, which is a nice little bonus. So.. I'm leaning towards th SD
but I probably won't decide until I'm on the phone with him on Monday.
Again thanks to all !!!

It's my understanding that the bracelet is 904L. Also, the bracelet on the SD is a little thicker or beefier, as some describe it, than the Sub bracelet.

dukerules · 4 January 2009, 11:16 AM

Go for the SD. I now realize, after getting into Dive watches in the last few months, that the SD is really not that big a watch. It has a good heft to it, and is thicker than the Sub, which I like, as it makes the watch feel much more substantial for me.

Ed Rooney · 4 January 2009, 11:46 AM

I have owned 3. Favorite is SD, then 14060M Sub, then 16610 Sub.

Some don't like the higher profile and greater weight of the SD.

For a first Rolex, you can't go wrong with the Sub.

My review: http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=33141

Golfster · 4 January 2009, 11:55 AM

I visited the AD with the intent of buying a SD. They had a great selection of watches in the case, SD, SS Daytona, Milgaus (all 3), YM, Sub-ND, G, and Black, Coke and Pepsi, etc.

I have the coke GMT, but felt the SD produced too much wrist flop for me due to top weight. I have a small wrist, so the Sub is what I chose. I love then all, so for me, it was about feel vs. specific preference.

4 January 2009, 06:56 AM	#1
hubbio "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 11	Help!! choosing between a Sub or SD Hello my name is Bill This is my first post and I wanted to introduce myself and hopefully get some advice at the same time. I found an Auth Rolex dealer that if your credit is even just ok will give you a new Rolex and you can make payments for 12 months at 1.5 % int which isa lot better than putting up all the cash at once for a watch. The problem is... I don't know whether to buy the Sub or Sd. They have 1 Sd left over (M series) and NO subs until Rolex opens back up in 1 or 2 weeks. I'm not really in a hurry but with only 1 SD left, if I think about it too long it will be gone. I LOVE both of them but can only purchase one. Maybe one of you can shed some insight as to which one will have more value in the long run or some other favorable technical aspect that I may have overlooked making my choice a no-brainer. Which is the better of the two? !!! Thanks for reading and Cheers !! to everyone here on the forum....Bill Last edited by hubbio; 4 January 2009 at 06:58 AM.. Reason: mistakes

4 January 2009, 07:26 AM	#4
WatchTimes 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: JYogi/Jeremy Location: Metro Detroit USA Watch: It's a Rolex! Posts: 5,787	I vote for the SD BUT most here will vote Sub as its more common. I picked the SD as I did not like the Cyclops. You can't go wrong with either. __________________ "You won't rise to the occasion - you'll default to your level of training." Barrett Tillman Kentucky Colonel, Tennessee Squire & Combat Leprechaun

4 January 2009, 07:27 AM	#5
karmatp "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Real Name: Trevor Location: Arizona Posts: 5,740	There is no clear winner or one that is better than the other. You really need to see which one is most comfortable on your wrist, that is what is important. Does the cyclops bother you? If so maybe the SD is a better choice. The SD is heavier and not as comfortable on the wrist, but it's not my wrist so you need to figure out which one you will be the happiest with. They are both fantastic watches, but they are different, you need to do some comparing of your own. __________________ My grails:

4 January 2009, 07:30 AM	#7
wantonebad 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: USA Watch: 126600, 116500LN Posts: 12,849	I'm a Sub man myself, the SD is nice but not for me __________________ "I'm kind of a big deal... on a fairly irrelevant social media site that falsely inflates my fragile ego"

4 January 2009, 07:47 AM	#11
hubbio "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 11	The Cape Cod cloths seem to scratch the surface and seem to make it worse. the finishing pads are great though! I think using a better finish grade rouge with a slower rpm would be the ticket.But the Dremel's min speed is 5000 rpm. I have noticed the pro grade buffers have a fixed rpm of 3450 or something like that. Thanks....Bill Last edited by hubbio; 4 January 2009 at 07:59 AM.. Reason: mistake

4 January 2009, 07:04 AM	#2
onkyo Banned Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Pav Location: Manhattan Posts: 11,495	Grab the SD. I love the no cyclops look and it is discontinued so should appreciate over time. I don't know about the financing though. Most AD will give some discount off MSRP if you pay the balance at time of purchase. Will they still give a discount if you finance it? I am not into financing luxury items. A house, car, education, etc (the necessities) make sense but a Rolex?? What if you lose your job? Is it worth getting bad credit over a watch?? Good luck!

4 January 2009, 07:13 AM	#3
hubbio "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 11	Yes I can get it for 5760.00 deliverd to my house. Plus he will give me a SD kit for free

4 January 2009, 07:34 AM	#8
cody p "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Canada Watch: Air-King 114200 Posts: 2,878	Sd

4 January 2009, 07:36 AM	#9
hubbio "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 11	The only thing I don't like about either one (besides the price) is the 904L is hard to polish swirlies out of. If you try it by hand it doesn't work and If you use a Dremel the min 5000 rpm speed is too fast and seems to burn the finished surface. I have used Dialux green rouge and a non abrasive German polish called WENOL.If anyone has advice on maintaining that polished surface ,that would be Great!

4 January 2009, 07:53 AM	#12
greenfan "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Real Name: George Location: Athens Greece Watch: GMT II 16710 Coke Posts: 1,046	I prefer the Sub, it's more classical... __________________ $C:\Documents and Settings\George.HOME\My Documents\My Pictures\Rolex$

4 January 2009, 07:57 AM	#13
rijowysock "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Riley Location: 41.89° N, 87.62° Watch: URWERK Posts: 499	i personally hate people asking me "is that a rolex" so i prefer the SD... without the cyclops most people that are not well versed on rolex will think its fake which i actually prefer... and the case/caseback/crystal and bracelet layout i prefer more as well.. subs are nice, thinner.... and more common... but the popping out crystal with the helium escape valve are more exciting to me...

4 January 2009, 07:59 AM	#14
hubbio "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 11	Yasou! to you in Greece!!

4 January 2009, 08:47 AM	#15
milspec Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 164	Sd ... Sd ... Sd ... Sd ... Sd ... Sd ... Sd ... And here is cool article to help you decide: http://forums.timezone.com/?t=rview&...5&goto=1178598

4 January 2009, 08:50 AM	#16
nauticalmariner Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: South FL Watch: GMT II SS Posts: 27	I dated a girl once who's uncle owned an AD. He said that the Sub would have more resell value then the SD because it is more commonly purchased and sought after. However, being that the SD has been discontinued to the bold DEEPSEA it could appreciate in value over time. Both will hold their value and both will look great, it's a toughy but you'll be happy either way. ES

4 January 2009, 08:52 AM	#17
argee1977 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Real Name: Ryan Location: England Watch: AP ROC Posts: 1,462	I prefer the Sub, the SD is just a step too far for a tool watch, it has a smaller dial, sits higher on the wrist and has quite possibly the most useless addition with the HE valve. The Sub is a classic, it is as much as you'll ever need for a tool watch and has a clearer dial with the love it or hate it cyclops giving you easier reading of the date. __________________ PANERAI, MORE THAN A WATCH, LESS THAN A KITKAT

4 January 2009, 08:54 AM	#18
milspec Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 164	I agree that both will look great ... the coolest part about the SD for me is the smaller crystal and how the bezel narrows as you moves upwards, giving the appearance that the display crystal is more fortified and reinforced ... just looks tough .... On the sub, the crystal is wider, less steeper is the bezel angle and the crystal looks more exposed to damage,,,,

4 January 2009, 08:56 AM	#19
timackerman "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Real Name: Tim Location: Calgary Posts: 1,117	I own a Sub, but I would say go for the SD. You can always pick up a Sub later in life __________________ Daytona 116520

4 January 2009, 09:19 AM	#20
hubbio "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 11	THANKS For All of your Replies I'm still not 100% sure but I have until Monday morning to sleep on it. They are both nice watches! I am thinking the SD will be a bit more collectable because it is no longer made.But... However...the Sub has that unmistakable look that you can detect given the slightest glance. As far as the bracelet goes the only difference is that the top and bottom of the links are polished on the SD and not on the Sub. A brushed finish is easier to maintain and does not get scuffed quite as easily.The bracelet I beliece is 316SS but the case is 904L and is a bitch to keep mint.It gets swirlies just by looking at it.The 316 is much easier to buff out periodically. The other thing is the crystal sticks up further on the SD because it is thicker and I am afraid of catching the edge on something and putting a chip in it.The date magnifier is a nice feature but not really a selling point to me. But that is the one 'signature' feature that makes it a Sub. The dealer said he would include a NOS, SD kit that is no longer included with the new ones, which is a nice little bonus. So.. I'm leaning towards th SD but I probably won't decide until I'm on the phone with him on Monday. Again thanks to all !!! Last edited by hubbio; 4 January 2009 at 09:20 AM.. Reason: mistake

4 January 2009, 09:21 AM	#21
Mrdi Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PA Posts: 3,478	Not a tough decision Owned both There is no comparison Sea Dweller !!

4 January 2009, 09:24 AM	#22
hubbio "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 11	what do you mean by 'No Comparison'

4 January 2009, 09:41 AM	#23
Xenophon 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Xenophon Location: UK Posts: 2,728	If you plan to dive then get a sub non date, the dial is slightly bigger than the Sea-Dweller and the thinner profile doesn't snag and catch so much when on your wrist in dive kit. The sub dates cyclops lense can get in the way reading the minute hand underwater __________________ The sea! The sea! Θάλαττα! θάλαττα!

4 January 2009, 09:45 AM	#24
FLAJIM "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Jim Location: Daytona Beach, FL Watch: 114060 Sub Posts: 243	SEA DWELLER Hands Down !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

4 January 2009, 10:17 AM	#25
watchthisone2 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Jeff Location: Devon, UK Watch: Sea-Dweller Posts: 208	Get the SD. I do not know, but I bet someone does the ratio of Subs to SD's ever made. The SD will always be a rarer watch. Good luck!!

4 January 2009, 10:30 AM	#26
BZA "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: B Location: UK Posts: 976	Sub is an icon. Cyclops is cool. But my 2c is to go with the SD - you will love it! A touch more exotic than a sub. __________________ Current: 1: Rolex DSSD M 2008 2: Rolex Day-Date 40 YG White Dial Random 2018 3:Panerai Luminor Submersible Titanium PAM 25 2013 P Previous:[/B] 1: Rolex 16610 Y 2002 2: Rolex Daytona V 2008 3: Rolex 16610LV Z 2007 4: Rolex Milgauss 116400GV V 2008 5: Panerai Luminor Marina PR PAM 93 2005 6: AP ROO Diver H 2013 7: Rolex DJ II Slate w/ Grn Romans Random 2013 8:Panerai Submersible Ti PAM 25 2013

4 January 2009, 11:16 AM	#28
dukerules "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: NC, USA Posts: 681	Go for the SD. I now realize, after getting into Dive watches in the last few months, that the SD is really not that big a watch. It has a good heft to it, and is thicker than the Sub, which I like, as it makes the watch feel much more substantial for me. __________________ Instagram: dukerules

4 January 2009, 11:46 AM	#29
Ed Rooney "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Annapolis, MD Watch: Sea-Dweller 16600 Posts: 5,081	I have owned 3. Favorite is SD, then 14060M Sub, then 16610 Sub. Some don't like the higher profile and greater weight of the SD. For a first Rolex, you can't go wrong with the Sub. My review: http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=33141

4 January 2009, 11:55 AM	#30
Golfster "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: NorCal Posts: 722	I visited the AD with the intent of buying a SD. They had a great selection of watches in the case, SD, SS Daytona, Milgaus (all 3), YM, Sub-ND, G, and Black, Coke and Pepsi, etc. I have the coke GMT, but felt the SD produced too much wrist flop for me due to top weight. I have a small wrist, so the Sub is what I chose. I love then all, so for me, it was about feel vs. specific preference.

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