Rolex GMT-Master 16700

[Apprentice.ph]

Rolex GMT-Master Ref. 16700- Last batch of Pepsi Tritium dial. Another interesting fact is that GMT-Master II was exclusively offered in coke insert until Ref. 16700 got discontinued in 1999. So, from 1989 to early 1998, there wasn’t a 16710 on T<25 dial and Pepsi Bezel available in the market.

If you have a GMT master II on tritium and pepsi bezel insert, chances are, it was replaced or not original to the watch.





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[1SG MTB]

Such a nice looking watch, it looks new!

[Flyingpig698]

Originally Posted by Apprentice.ph

Rolex GMT-Master Ref. 16700- Last batch of Pepsi Tritium dial. Another interesting fact is that GMT-Master II was exclusively offered in coke insert until Ref. 16700 got discontinued in 1999. So, from 1989 to early 1998, there wasn’t a 16710 on T<25 dial and Pepsi Bezel available in the market.

If you have a GMT master II on tritium and pepsi bezel insert, chances are, it was replaced or not original to the watch.





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Wow thanks for this information!


Best Regards,
Danny

[springer]

This is "fake news" at its best.

[sillo]

Originally Posted by Apprentice.ph

Another interesting fact is that GMT-Master II was exclusively offered in coke insert until Ref. 16700 got discontinued in 1999.

Curious to where you read this?

[037]

Speaking of inserts not being original to the watch, shouldn't this one be a serif style given the date range?

[sillo]

Originally Posted by 037

Speaking of inserts not being original to the watch, shouldn't this one be a serif style given the date range?

Depends on what serial. The early ones were non-serif and switched somewhere in the mid to late 90s I believe. My GMT Master booklet from the early 90s shows it with the non serif and I have this talking points booklet from 1991 that also shows it with the non-serif.

[037]

Originally Posted by sillo38

Depends on what serial. The early ones were non-serif and switched somewhere in the mid to late 90s I believe. My GMT Master booklet from the early 90s shows it with the non serif and I have this talking points booklet from 1991 that also shows it with the non-serif.

True. But, the insert on the OP's watch is a later early/mid-2000s non-serif and the same as a current service insert. It's not like the early non-serif shown in your booklet.

I'm thinking there's some irony here.

[Sherbie]

Interestingly, the talking points book from 1.1992 has 2 photos of the 16700

Underneath the photo shown above showing non serif, the second photo does show serif font pepsi bezel




Also, the coke gmt master 2 also shows serif bezel






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[Sherbie]

And just to confuse you all even more, the Rolex Oyster book from a few month later ( 5.1992) shows both 16700 pepsi and 16710 coke with non serif bezels !!!!






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[Sherbie]

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[Tools]

Originally Posted by Apprentice.ph

Rolex GMT-Master Ref. 16700- Last batch of Pepsi Tritium dial. Another interesting fact is that GMT-Master II was exclusively offered in coke insert until Ref. 16700 got discontinued in 1999. So, from 1989 to early 1998, there wasn’t a 16710 on T<25 dial and Pepsi Bezel available in the market.

If you have a GMT master II on tritium and pepsi bezel insert, chances are, it was replaced or not original to the watch.

Sorry, your facts are wrong.

The 16710 GMT II, introduced in 1989 came with all 3 versions of insert and was sold along side the GMT 16700 for a decade in tritium.

The 16760 GMT II Fat Lady, made in '83 to '88 came only in red/black.

[swish77]

Originally Posted by Tools

Sorry, your facts are wrong.

The 16710 GMT II, introduced in 1989 came with all 3 versions of insert and was sold along side the GMT 16700 for a decade in tritium.

The 16760 GMT II Fat Lady, made in '83 to '88 came only in red/black.

x2. This is what I always thought too.

Here's a useful breakdown of the reference:

http://www.gmtmasterhistory.com/gmt-...ref_16710.html

[springer]

Rolex reused many photos for their booklets throughout the years. Not only for GMTs but other models.

Check out a 1979 Submariner owner's manual - notice the red Submariner 1680!!!

[springer]

Originally Posted by swish77

x2. This is what I always thought too.

Here's a useful breakdown of the reference:

http://www.gmtmasterhistory.com/gmt-...ref_16710.html

Like I mentioned...fake news. I'd like to see where this bit of misinformation came from regarding the original post.

[lee fowler]

Originally Posted by sillo38

Depends on what serial. The early ones were non-serif and switched somewhere in the mid to late 90s I believe. My GMT Master booklet from the early 90s shows it with the non serif and I have this talking points booklet from 1991 that also shows it with the non-serif.

I have a virtually NOS 16700 from 1991 and a virtuall NOS 16710 from 1996 and they both have original inserts fitted which are both serif! As John has mentioned you cannot take much notice of the pictures Rolex used for their brochures and booklets. I have a 1976 brochure which shows a picture of a long E dial GMT.

[Sherbie]

Lee, on you NOS 16700, is it just the “4”s that have serifs, or do the 2s etc also have these ?

My S series 16700 ( but sent to dealer Aug 1996 ( by red writing on back of cert) has only slight serif tendencies on the 4


So not sure if I should call this serif or not?





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[lee fowler]

Originally Posted by Sherbie

Lee, on you NOS 16700, is it just the “4”s that have serifs, or do the 2s etc also have these ?

My S series 16700 ( but sent to dealer Aug 1996 ( by red writing on back of cert) has only slight serif tendencies on the 4


So not sure if I should call this serif or not?





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Not just the 4's.

[Emperor_cc]

Incredible shot with an incredible condition Pepsi, what more can you ask for!


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[Sherbie]

Thanks - now, I can clearly see this is very different to my insert

Cheers, Paul


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[CPRWATCH]

Just to add for reference, my late 99 16700 with non serif coke insert .

[springer]

Originally Posted by lee fowler

I have a virtually NOS 16700 from 1991 and a virtuall NOS 16710 from 1996 and they both have original inserts fitted which are both serif! As John has mentioned you cannot take much notice of the pictures Rolex used for their brochures and booklets. I have a 1976 brochure which shows a picture of a long E dial GMT.

Lee, I would have to disagree - 1991 is too early for seriff inserts in my humble opinion...but what do I know!

I have a near mint to mint, almost NOS, T serial 16700, circa 1995/96, without seriffs which is close to or prior to, the seriff inserts.

I also have an NOS/stickered A serial 16700, sold during March 2000, with a black seriff insert.

[Dan S]

Originally Posted by CPRWATCH

Just to add for reference, my late 99 16700 with non serif coke insert .

That looks like a black insert to me.

[lee fowler]

Originally Posted by springer

Lee, I would have to disagree - 1991 is too early for seriff inserts in my humble opinion...but what do I know!

I have a near mint to mint, almost NOS, T serial 16700, circa 1995/96, without seriffs which is close to or prior to, the seriff inserts.

I also have an NOS/stickered A serial 16700, sold during March 2000, with a black seriff insert.

Very interesting as the watch is a one previous owner never serviced UK supplied watch!!

[Sherbie]

Do we know how many Al insert suppliers Rolex used ?

Were there different suppliers for the USA vs EU, or did they all come from Switzerland?


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[CPRWATCH]

Originally Posted by Dan S

That looks like a black insert to me.

Apologies I meant black or LN insert .

[Dan S]

Originally Posted by CPRWATCH

Apologies I meant black or LN insert .

My apologies too, I forgot to add a smiley.

[Apprentice.ph]

Originally Posted by springer

Like I mentioned...fake news. I'd like to see where this bit of misinformation came from regarding the original post.

Check the photos on GMT master history reference, pepsi bezel are all luminova dial. Have you seen a new old stock on 16710 on tritium dial?


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[Apprentice.ph]

Originally Posted by Sherbie

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16710 is different from rootbeer reference number :)


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