Submariner 116610 LN Stopped Working

[seasubmariner]

Hello guys/gals,

As you can see from the topic the Sub 116610 will not work.

The problem is that the watch will not wind, when I turn the crown to wind the watch it turns very easily without giving me any tension as before.

When I shake the watch the second hand moves for 5-10 seconds and stops again.

I am the first owner of the watch since new (2012 mixed serial), and the watch has never been serviced at all.

I suspect from the mainspring to be broken, what do you think?

As I understand from what I read on the net about the overhaul servicing, mainspring replacement is always included at the routine service. So buying a new mainspring is necessary in all cases is that also right?

So, I am planning to buy a genuine Rolex mainspring online and take it to an unauthorized but reliable Rolex service, get it replaced and watch to be oiled and get running again.

Could you also please let me know if my submariner 116610 LN has 3135 movement and the mainspring part number for the Submariner 116610LN is CAL 3135-311?

I found the genuine Rolex mainspring for 70 dollars including the shipment, is that a good price?

Thanks for taking your time reading the tread. I will appreciate answers.

[Zz101]

Why not just take it to or send to RSC? Going to a jeweler/watch repair is only going to save you maybe a couple hundred bucks.

[Mystro]

Yup, mainspring. It’s no big deal. If it were mine I would send it to Rikki but you are not in the States so RSC would be your choice.

[seasubmariner]

Originally Posted by Zz101

Why not just take it to or send to RSC? Going to a jeweler/watch repair is only going to save you maybe a couple hundred bucks.

Because I do not have couple of hundred bucks to waste.

[seasubmariner]

Originally Posted by Mystro

Yup, mainspring. It’s no big deal. If it were mine I would send it to Rikki but you are not in the States so RSC would be your choice.

Thank you. Is my movement 3135 and the mainspring part nr is 3135-311?

Just curious how come people on the net can find and sell genuine Rolex parts?

I also wonder if the price (70 bucks) incl. shipment good price for 3135-311 mainspring?

I have read about Rikki, but I am far so I will find someone as good as Rikki here, and I will never ever go to RSC.

[ThatExplorer]

Originally Posted by seasubmariner

Thank you. Is my movement 3135 and the mainspring part nr is 3135-311?



Just curious how come people on the net can find and sell genuine Rolex parts?



I also wonder if the price (70 bucks) incl. shipment good price for 3135-311 mainspring?



I have read about Rikki, but I am far so I will find someone as good as Rikki here, and I will never ever go to RSC.

That’s the correct part number. My concern if you’re gonna go to a regular watch repair is that the mainspring is NOS and blistered. You don’t want something that is sitting in a bag etc... also make sure it is a gen Rolex Main spring.

You also need to be aware that you might find more stuff worn or possible broken when they get into it. I know you say you can’t afford a few extra 100, but maybe save for a few then send it to RSC, at least then when you get it back, it’s back to factory condition and comes with a 2 year warranty.

Just seems like the better opinion.


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[Wobbly]

So you are going to buy a mainspring in the hope that this is the problem. Seems a strange way to go about things.

Send to RSC, get it fixed with a two year warranty. Will probably cost you in lot less in the long term.

[Tomas Eriksson]

Have it serviced, new gaskets and a proper overhaul will minimize the risk for expensive future costs. And....Say no to any polish!

[seasubmariner]

Originally Posted by ThatExplorer

That’s the correct part number. My concern if you’re gonna go to a regular watch repair is that the mainspring is NOS and blistered. You don’t want something that is sitting in a bag etc... also make sure it is a gen Rolex Main spring.

You also need to be aware that you might find more stuff worn or possible broken when they get into it. I know you say you can’t afford a few extra 100, but maybe save for a few then send it to RSC, at least then when you get it back, it’s back to factory condition and comes with a 2 year warranty.

Just seems like the better opinion.


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What do you mean by saying NOS or blistered?

[seasubmariner]

Originally Posted by ThatExplorer

That’s the correct part number. My concern if you’re gonna go to a regular watch repair is that the mainspring is NOS and blistered. You don’t want something that is sitting in a bag etc... also make sure it is a gen Rolex Main spring.

You also need to be aware that you might find more stuff worn or possible broken when they get into it. I know you say you can’t afford a few extra 100, but maybe save for a few then send it to RSC, at least then when you get it back, it’s back to factory condition and comes with a 2 year warranty.

Just seems like the better opinion.


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Could you please explain what do you mean by saying 'you don't want something that is sitting in a bag'? Did not get it.

The mainspring I have found is really a genuine Rolex product from a seller with 100% feedback. But the mainspring is advertised as new old stock. Is that what you mean?

[SearChart]

If the mainspring breaks the barrel will most likely be damaged as well.
Since it requires taking apart quite a bit of the movement I'd highly recommend just going for a complete service instead of just replacing the mainspring...

[SearChart]

Originally Posted by seasubmariner

Because I do not have couple of hundred bucks to waste.

But you do have an 8k watch?

[seasubmariner]

Originally Posted by SearChart

If the mainspring breaks the barrel will most likely be damaged as well.
Since it requires taking apart quite a bit of the movement I'd highly recommend just going for a complete service instead of just replacing the mainspring...

Thank you very much mate for the information.

Then I will get the genuine complete barrel including the mainspring to be safe and the price difference between complete barrel and the mainspring is very little.

As I understand, the part number for the complete barrel is 3135-315 and it fits to both 3135 and 3130 movements. Is that right?

[SearChart]

Originally Posted by seasubmariner

Thank you very much mate for the information.



Then I will get the genuine complete barrel including the mainspring to be safe and the price difference between complete barrel and the mainspring is very little.



As I understand, the part number for the complete barrel is 3135-315 and it fits to both 3135 and 3130 movements. Is that right?

That is correct.

[Seibei]

For all repairs and service I think you should go to RSC, no ifs or buts. Getting parts online that may be fake and unauthorized service is a recipe for trouble. Trouble that may end up costing more than you save.

If you can't afford to own your watch and look after it correctly, then you are probably better off selling it.

[Bizcut1]

Dude, I would definitely source the guy who's going to do this first. Get a diagnosis and THEN go shopping for all of this.

And, I wouldn't even do that. RSC for sure. Kind of like taking your Benz into a Yugo guy.

[kieselguhr]

Originally Posted by SearChart

But you do have an 8k watch?

Same thought crossed my mind.

[bondtoys]

Your watch is 7 years old, so due for a service.

As you are in Europe, you‘ll be getting a warranty for the repair.
No watchmaker in his right mind will replace you the mainspring/barrel only and not be able to regulate the watch properly (necessary because the new spring has a different power curve than the old one).

To give you a warranty on the repair, the amplitude of the balance must be high enough to work properly. And that will very much likely mean a full service.
And then there is the topic of waterresistance.
Watchmaker will have to open the watch and to give you a warranty, he can‘t use the 7 year old seals.
And so on and so on....

You may find independents in Europe with part accounts who may service your watch for less than a RSC.

[seasubmariner]

I really do respect people who go to RSC, because that is their personal preference.

However, I did not ask about the benefits of going to the RSC, and I will not go to RSC, so there is really no point to keep suggesting me to go to an RSC.

I believe the private watchmakers who fix several Rolexes everyday can be as good as RSC in terms of labor quality, the price will be much much cheaper, the work duration will be only a few hours instead of few weeks, the watch will not be shipped anywhere so there is no risk of getting the watch damaged or lost, and if you are really lucky you can partially watch the process. So I do not see any point wasting time and money with RSC. And I do not trust RSC at all. Those are my personal preferences too.

[seasubmariner]

Originally Posted by Bizcut1

Dude, I would definitely source the guy who's going to do this first. Get a diagnosis and THEN go shopping for all of this.

And, I wouldn't even do that. RSC for sure. Kind of like taking your Benz into a Yugo guy.

Thank you very much for the opinion which makes sense. In that case the watch will be opened twice but at least I will buy the right parts and be able to avoid spending money on unnecessary parts. However, in my situation, it looks like in all cases I will need the mainspring or the barrel set including the mainspring. And, the mainspring is always changed at overhaul when even there is no problem. So, buying the barrel set is not waste of money in this case..


By the way I own a Bmw and an Audi and I service both at my garage.

If I was a watchmaker, you can be sure that I would buy all tools, oil, gasket, parts, etc. for Rolex and service it at home.

[bondtoys]

Bas may confirm this, a service or even an mainspring repair can‘t be done within hours.
The time-extensive part is the regulation which is necessary after a full service and a mainspring repair.
The nature of it makes it necessary to let the watch run for some hours, regulate, let it run for some hours, regulate again and start over.

And as previously said, regulating a 7 year old watch with 7 year old oils screams trouble for the watchmaker, additionally to the question what happens in terms of waterresistance.

But you seem to ignore this and just seek for replies that you like and not for genuine advise.

[No SUBctitute]

Originally Posted by seasubmariner

By the way I own a Bmw and an Audi and I service both at my garage.

You own a BMW and an Audi--two cars with expensive replacement parts--and you want to save a couple hundred bucks on Rolex repair???

Given your defensiveness, I think you are missing everyone's point. It just sounds like you are trying to diagnose the issue (which you don't seem qualified to do), buy parts that may or may not be legit, and have a repair shop fix your watch on the cheap. So, I'm not surprised members expressed concern and suggested an RSC trip was in order.

However, I don't think anyone here has a problem if you use a Rolex-certified technician and genuine Rolex parts. We have independents in the US that we would trust to do a full service and replace any needed parts. It just didn't seem like that's what you were discussing doing.

[Seibei]

The service can not be done in hours. The watch has to be taken apart and all the parts cleaned. Then it has to be put together again and tested. Then regulated. It is best if this is done right the first time so it does not have to be repeated soon.

I can almost promise you that if this is done in a half assed way you will have to have it done all over again soon, unless of course you sell the watch and make it somebody else's problem.

On a side note, if you are buying a used watch it is absolutely essential to obtain a properly documented service history. Otherwise you have no idea who has done what to your watch and what replacement parts have been used.

[seasubmariner]

Originally Posted by No SUBctitute

You own a BMW and an Audi--two cars with expensive replacement parts--and you want to save a couple hundred bucks on Rolex repair???

Given your defensiveness, I think you are missing everyone's point. It just sounds like you are trying to diagnose the issue (which you don't seem qualified to do), buy parts that may or may not be legit, and have a repair shop fix your watch on the cheap. So, I'm not surprised members expressed concern and suggested an RSC trip was in order.

However, I don't think anyone here has a problem if you use a Rolex-certified technician and genuine Rolex parts. We have independents in the US that we would trust to do a full service and replace any needed parts. It just didn't seem like that's what you were discussing doing.

Actually I was saying the same thing. I will only go to an independent who fix watches like Rolex IWC etc and work regularly with gray sellers.

[Seibei]

Originally Posted by seasubmariner

Actually I was saying the same thing. I will only go to an independent who fix watches like Rolex IWC etc and work regularly with gray sellers.

So, are you saying that the gray sellers regularly use unauthorized repairers? In your first post you said: "take it to an unauthorized but reliable Rolex service".

[Ian Macdermott]

Off for popcorn.

[Macnavara]

Originally Posted by SearChart

But you do have an 8k watch?

Exactly this

[SearChart]

The mainspring is probably not the only problem.

Your rotor axle will be worn and in need of replacement, rotor clip, possibly one ore more gears in the gear train (seconds wheel most likely).
Pallet fork could be worn on both the jewels but will most likely show wear on the other side. Rolex stated that the past 10 years the impulse jewel (or roller jewel) which is in contact with the pallet fork, was a little more 'rough' than it should, which results in a worn pallet fork. Both roller and pallet fork in most 31×× movements require replacement.

And this is not hypothetical... These parts are replaced 9 times out of 10.

You could just go to some watchmaker that you know, give him a new mainspring and let him clean and lubricate the movement, it will run a few years and then everything that should have been replaced will be worn to shreds, and other parts taken down with them. Which will result in a very expensive service. Trust me, I've seen this plenty of times.

[joli160]

Nothing wrong with independents. Full service at an independent is half the costs of a RSC service.

It stops when I have to source parts myself

[BisonHead]

Originally Posted by Ian Macdermott

Off for popcorn.

Me too.