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Youngar · 27 October 2019, 09:25 AM

Hi, I just came across these 2 GMT Rollies. Do you see the differences or is it just me. If so anyone know the details? Thanks

ltmgeller · 27 October 2019, 09:27 AM

The top one appears to be a 16710 GMT II and the bottom appears to be a 16710 GMT. Both are great watches.

dori · 27 October 2019, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ltmgeller

The top one appears to be a 16710 GMT II and the bottom appears to be a 16710 GMT. Both are great watches.

Exactly

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Youngar · 27 October 2019, 09:38 AM

What's the difference aside from that?

Youngar · 27 October 2019, 09:39 AM

Both 16710s?

Stew7 · 27 October 2019, 10:11 AM

Quickest hour hand on the GMT master II so you can track 3 time zones.

FTX I · 27 October 2019, 10:20 AM

16710 & 16700 would be my guess.

Youngar · 27 October 2019, 10:50 AM

I actually am asking about difference in the color and fonts of the bezel...

clock · 27 October 2019, 10:55 AM

Top one has a service insert?

Youngar · 27 October 2019, 11:01 AM

I see top brighter and bottom darker. Like new ceramic gmt. MKI MKII? That sorta difference? Look at the number 4 different fonts? Or am i paranoid?

10klakes · 27 October 2019, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Youngar

I actually am asking about difference in the color and fonts of the bezel...

I can see a difference between them.

kegan · 27 October 2019, 11:17 AM

The bottom may be 16750 insert appears a bit wider and the open 9 on the date. Not sure
though

Tools · 27 October 2019, 11:35 AM

All 16710's were GMT II's, so clearly these are not both 16710's

Different watches from different years with completely different inserts, font-wise.

The 16750 has a flat-4 insert, the GMT II does not - different eras.

Youngar · 27 October 2019, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Tools

All 16710's were GMT II's, so clearly these are not both 16710's

Different watches from different years with completely different inserts, font-wise.

The 16750 has a flat-4 insert, the GMT II does not - different eras.

My take - The 4, zero on 10 and eight on 18 seems to have more distinction. Also, the red on bottom pic assuming gmt 16700, looks more burgundy red. Which I feel like in person anyways, seems to look more like the first gmt. Ref. 6542

Does anyone know what year of production for that combo? I really like that subtle look. Your input is greatly appreciated.

georgekart · 27 October 2019, 01:18 PM

The top watch is a GMT Master II 16710. Swiss made dial, SEL, one of the later examples of the model.

The bottom is a GMT Master (not II), I think 16700. Here's where it gets interesting. It has a Swiss Made dial, which came after tritium and swiss only dials. Correct me anyone if I'm wrong, but later watches have different date font, as in 9 in 29 should not be open. Here's pic of Swiss Made dial 16700 I found online and it seems to have a closed 9 in 29. So it would make me believe it's an older watch with a service dial.

Youngar · 27 October 2019, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by georgekart

The top watch is a GMT Master II 16710. Swiss made dial, SEL, one of the later examples of the model.

The bottom is a GMT Master (not II), I think 16700. Here's where it gets interesting. It has a Swiss Made dial, which came after tritium and swiss only dials. Correct me anyone if I'm wrong, but later watches have different date font, as in 9 in 29 should not be open. Here's pic of Swiss Made dial 16700 I found online and it seems to have a closed 9 in 29. So it would make me believe it's an older watch with a service dial.

By that you mean everything original but the dial? This type of bezel should appear on a tritum dials...Thanks

Youngar · 27 October 2019, 03:20 PM

Should be 16750 with new service dial. Thanks

Macnavara · 27 October 2019, 06:31 PM

Whats a rollie

georgekart · 28 October 2019, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Youngar

By that you mean everything original but the dial? This type of bezel should appear on a tritum dials...Thanks

I have no knowledge of older GMT bezels, so if that bezel should indeed have come with a tritium dial watch, I guess yes, the dial and perhaps hands are new, but the bezel is old, as well as date wheel.

Youngar · 28 October 2019, 12:34 AM

Ok. Thank you sir!

Fire bloke · 28 October 2019, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Youngar

Hi, I just came across these 2 GMT Rollies. Do you see the differences or is it just me. If so anyone know the details? Thanks

What's a Rollie

I only see 2 X GMT Rolex Watches one being an earlier model to the other
1 has a service dial the other if it's a 1999 has the correct dial.

sillo · 28 October 2019, 02:37 AM

Bottom one looks like a 16750 with a service dial to me. The insert looks like it has a wider diameter and it's pretty uncommon for a 16700 to have an open 6 date wheel.

Going to need a lot more and a lot higher quality pictures if you want people to take a serious look at them.

mmaggi · 28 October 2019, 02:55 AM

Top is a 16710.

Bottom is a 16700, year 2000. But the bezel insert on the bottom doesn't look right. The '22': The digit on the right has a big loop. May not be a Rolex bezel or dial.

bondtoys · 28 October 2019, 03:05 AM

The one on the bottom seems to be a 16750 or 1675 with servicedial and - hands to me

sillo · 28 October 2019, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by bondtoys

The one on the bottom seems to be a 16750 or 1675 with servicedial and - hands to me

I know it's really hard to tell, but it looks like the 24hr hand is above the hour hand so I'm leaning toward 16750.

sillo · 28 October 2019, 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Fire bloke

I only see 2 X GMT Rolex Watches one being an earlier model to the other
1 has a service dial the other if it's a 1999 has the correct dial.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mmaggi

Bottom is a 16700, year 2000. But the bezel insert on the bottom doesn't look right. The '22': The digit on the right has a big loop. May not be a Rolex bezel or dial.

We can't really pinpoint a year without the serial and even then it's not a guarantee it's from that exact year.

The bottom one has an open 6 date wheel so it's more likely it has a service dial and isn't from 2000. The bezel looks different because it's most likely not a 16700. 4 digit GMTs had wider bezel inserts.

The top one can be from the anytime in the early 2000s since I see a SEL bracelet and lug holes (even that could have been changed out at a later time).

dba · 28 October 2019, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Fire bloke

What's a Rollie

Exactly.

mdx77 · 28 October 2019, 04:23 AM

Bottom looks like a Franken-Rollie. Insert does not match the correct dial and date wheel.

Youngar · 28 October 2019, 04:51 AM

Dont know who noticed the color of the bezel. One's darker than the other. If anyone has 16710/16700 and 16750 they can compare side by side. One should have darker hue

27 October 2019, 09:25 AM	#1
Youngar "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Usa Posts: 69	2 Gmts II comparisons Hi, I just came across these 2 GMT Rollies. Do you see the differences or is it just me. If so anyone know the details? Thanks Attached Images

27 October 2019, 09:27 AM	#2
ltmgeller 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Real Name: Mike Location: New York Watch: Rolex Posts: 22,580	The top one appears to be a 16710 GMT II and the bottom appears to be a 16710 GMT. Both are great watches. __________________ Oh, look at the time... Official Member: 'WIS-CON' Las Vegas International GTG 2019

27 October 2019, 11:35 AM	#13
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,514	All 16710's were GMT II's, so clearly these are not both 16710's Different watches from different years with completely different inserts, font-wise. The 16750 has a flat-4 insert, the GMT II does not - different eras. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member Last edited by Tools; 28 October 2019 at 05:40 AM..

27 October 2019, 06:31 PM	#18
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28 October 2019, 02:37 AM	#22
sillo "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Real Name: Sean Location: NY Watch: 5 Digit Posts: 2,840	Bottom one looks like a 16750 with a service dial to me. The insert looks like it has a wider diameter and it's pretty uncommon for a 16700 to have an open 6 date wheel. Going to need a lot more and a lot higher quality pictures if you want people to take a serious look at them. __________________ 14060 \| 16570 \| 16600 \| 16700 \| 16800 \| 79260 @TheGMTHand

27 October 2019, 09:38 AM	#4
Youngar "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Usa Posts: 69	What's the difference aside from that?

27 October 2019, 09:39 AM	#5
Youngar "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Usa Posts: 69	Both 16710s?

27 October 2019, 10:11 AM	#6
Stew7 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: MA, US Watch: Omega, Rolex Posts: 362	Quickest hour hand on the GMT master II so you can track 3 time zones.

27 October 2019, 10:20 AM	#7
FTX I "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Real Name: Flavio Location: N/A Posts: 14,654	16710 & 16700 would be my guess.

27 October 2019, 10:50 AM	#8
Youngar "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Usa Posts: 69	I actually am asking about difference in the color and fonts of the bezel...

27 October 2019, 10:55 AM	#9
clock Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: in a house Posts: 13,510	Top one has a service insert?

27 October 2019, 11:01 AM	#10
Youngar "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Usa Posts: 69	I see top brighter and bottom darker. Like new ceramic gmt. MKI MKII? That sorta difference? Look at the number 4 different fonts? Or am i paranoid?

27 October 2019, 11:17 AM	#12
kegan "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Anchorage Alaska Posts: 606	The bottom may be 16750 insert appears a bit wider and the open 9 on the date. Not sure though

27 October 2019, 01:18 PM	#15
georgekart "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Earth Posts: 1,550	The top watch is a GMT Master II 16710. Swiss made dial, SEL, one of the later examples of the model. The bottom is a GMT Master (not II), I think 16700. Here's where it gets interesting. It has a Swiss Made dial, which came after tritium and swiss only dials. Correct me anyone if I'm wrong, but later watches have different date font, as in 9 in 29 should not be open. Here's pic of Swiss Made dial 16700 I found online and it seems to have a closed 9 in 29. So it would make me believe it's an older watch with a service dial.

27 October 2019, 03:20 PM	#17
Youngar "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Usa Posts: 69	Should be 16750 with new service dial. Thanks

28 October 2019, 12:34 AM	#20
Youngar "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Usa Posts: 69	Ok. Thank you sir!

28 October 2019, 02:55 AM	#23
mmaggi Banned Join Date: Sep 2019 Real Name: Michael Location: Nassau County, NY Watch: 16710 Posts: 889	Top is a 16710. Bottom is a 16700, year 2000. But the bezel insert on the bottom doesn't look right. The '22': The digit on the right has a big loop. May not be a Rolex bezel or dial.

28 October 2019, 03:05 AM	#24
bondtoys "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: World Watch: 16750 Posts: 2,733	The one on the bottom seems to be a 16750 or 1675 with servicedial and - hands to me

28 October 2019, 04:23 AM	#28
mdx77 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Kurt Location: Philly Burbs!! Posts: 3,296	Bottom looks like a Franken-Rollie. Insert does not match the correct dial and date wheel. __________________ “This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the BLUE pill - the story ends; you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the RED pill - you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes.” Rolex Submariner 116610LV Hulk \| Rolex GMT 16710 Pepsi \| Omega Speedmaster “Speedy Tuesday” \| Tudor Black Bay 79220R “ETA Rose” \| Tudor Pelagos Blue Dial \| Rolex Submariner Yellow Gold 116618LB \| Rolex Milgauss “Z-Blue” 116400GV

28 October 2019, 04:51 AM	#29
Youngar "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Usa Posts: 69	Dont know who noticed the color of the bezel. One's darker than the other. If anyone has 16710/16700 and 16750 they can compare side by side. One should have darker hue

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