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Thewaffle · 28 April 2020, 11:33 PM

Hi,

I am thinking about getting one of the above watches but can't decide between the two.

Opinions?

gsg · 29 April 2020, 05:04 AM

Up and down all day long.
Do some research on the Patek forum about the situation with the 5196 movement... not pretty.

gsg · 29 April 2020, 05:06 AM

Hope it helps:

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...highlight=5196

psv · 29 April 2020, 05:21 AM

The raison d'être of the Calatrava 5196 has never been its movement. The Cal 215 has stood the test of time and proven very reliable. Each movement is built and finished to Patek standards. Sure, the calibre pre-dates the display-back craze of the last decade but personally I wouldn't fault it or hesitate to buy a 5196 because it has a historic manual wind movement in it.

I prefer the simplicity Bauhaus design of the 5196 and its direct lineage to the famous 96 over the design language of the Lange Up & Down. Having said that, Lange makes watches of spectacular quality, I'm just enamored by the less-is-more approach of the 5196 (or the 5196P if you can find one - love those Breguet numerals).

gsg · 30 April 2020, 03:17 AM

Yes, a historic movement when Calatrava cases were 33mm and which Patek could not bother updating when the case was upsized to 37mm. Somehow Patek decided that having a huge washer filing all the empty space was fine by their standards...

igibliss · 3 July 2020, 07:36 PM

1815 up down for me

Cayenne06 · 4 July 2020, 07:08 AM

Of those two the 1815 up/down. It’s a Grail piece. The 5196 is an entry level Patek.

impinth06 · 4 July 2020, 01:18 PM

I own an 1815 chronograph boutique and a Zeitwerk (WG Black dial). I also own Patek 5146G and 5970J

To me, Lange’s movement beats Patek at all levels, but the dial and case are what you will be looking at most of the time. So try to find which case shape you like more, which dial you prefer would be most important.

Sinanamus · 10 July 2020, 03:04 PM

1815 up/down is my goal. I will purchase it in a few years for my fortieth. In this particular comparison, I prefer it over the 5196 because it's more versatile. The 1815 updown will look great even in jeans and a t shirt while the same can't be said of the 5196. Also, the casebacks can't be compared. One is boring and closed, the other is a display of horological art.

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myporsche · 27 July 2020, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thewaffle

Hi,

I am thinking about getting one of the above watches but can't decide between the two.

Opinions?

Are you going to update us and say which one you ended up buying??

28 April 2020, 11:33 PM	#1
Thewaffle "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: London Posts: 1	PP 5196 or 1815 up and down Hi, I am thinking about getting one of the above watches but can't decide between the two. Opinions?

29 April 2020, 05:21 AM	#4
psv 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: USA & France Posts: 11,078	The raison d'être of the Calatrava 5196 has never been its movement. The Cal 215 has stood the test of time and proven very reliable. Each movement is built and finished to Patek standards. Sure, the calibre pre-dates the display-back craze of the last decade but personally I wouldn't fault it or hesitate to buy a 5196 because it has a historic manual wind movement in it. I prefer the simplicity Bauhaus design of the 5196 and its direct lineage to the famous 96 over the design language of the Lange Up & Down. Having said that, Lange makes watches of spectacular quality, I'm just enamored by the less-is-more approach of the 5196 (or the 5196P if you can find one - love those Breguet numerals). Attached Images

29 April 2020, 05:04 AM	#2
gsg "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Texas Posts: 228	Up and down all day long. Do some research on the Patek forum about the situation with the 5196 movement... not pretty.

29 April 2020, 05:06 AM	#3
gsg "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Texas Posts: 228	Hope it helps: https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...highlight=5196

30 April 2020, 03:17 AM	#5
gsg "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Texas Posts: 228	Yes, a historic movement when Calatrava cases were 33mm and which Patek could not bother updating when the case was upsized to 37mm. Somehow Patek decided that having a huge washer filing all the empty space was fine by their standards...

3 July 2020, 07:36 PM	#6
igibliss "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 101	1815 up down for me

4 July 2020, 07:08 AM	#7
Cayenne06 Banned Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: USA Watch: VC Overseas DT Posts: 138	Of those two the 1815 up/down. It’s a Grail piece. The 5196 is an entry level Patek.

4 July 2020, 01:18 PM	#8
impinth06 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: US Posts: 59	I own an 1815 chronograph boutique and a Zeitwerk (WG Black dial). I also own Patek 5146G and 5970J To me, Lange’s movement beats Patek at all levels, but the dial and case are what you will be looking at most of the time. So try to find which case shape you like more, which dial you prefer would be most important.

10 July 2020, 03:04 PM	#9
Sinanamus "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: California Watch: 214270 Posts: 168	1815 up/down is my goal. I will purchase it in a few years for my fortieth. In this particular comparison, I prefer it over the 5196 because it's more versatile. The 1815 updown will look great even in jeans and a t shirt while the same can't be said of the 5196. Also, the casebacks can't be compared. One is boring and closed, the other is a display of horological art. Sent from my Pixel 2 using Tapatalk

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