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Keith Ur3 · 19 April 2009, 06:58 PM

Hi
I have a GMT II and now need a Blue Sub. I see the new 2009 model has some updates, ceramic bezel, new clasp ? etc or am I wrong? What are your feelings, is it worth it to wait till October 2009 for the new model? Is the new one technically an improved watch?

Andad · 19 April 2009, 07:49 PM

I bought the current model in an 'M' a few months ago and I don't regret the decision.

Any guess on the price for the new model.

padi56 · 19 April 2009, 07:54 PM

Well its all according what you class as a new model by adding say a ceramic bezel or clasp don't make it a new model.Just a updated old one, the main thing in all watches the movement has not changed, the others just purely cosmetic changes.

PeterT · 19 April 2009, 07:55 PM

On Friday I was lucky enough to see the new blue/gold sub side by side with the 16613 TT Blue Sub in a local shop so that I could really compare the colours of the dial and bezel. I had my wife and eldest son with me and independently they both prefered the appearance of the older model. As you move your head from side to side the dial on the older model shimmers whereas the new dial appears "flat" in comparison. The older blue is a richer colour whereas in some lights the term "smurf" blue is a pretty good description. By the way the latest M or V serial numbers on the older model have a paler/brighter blue than the early models, I prefer this brighter blue.
I played with what is maybe the new clasp as seen on a GMT IIC and that is certainly more substantial than the older model.
Maybe if you buy the very latest serial number it will have the Parachrom hairspring inside but who knows without opening the watch.
On balance, I prefer the older 16613 watch.

PeterT

walds11 · 19 April 2009, 08:00 PM

No. I prefer the "classic" 16610. And I would not want to pay the higher price for the new Sub.

082013 · 19 April 2009, 08:03 PM

Plus you can expect a good $1000USD at least on top of the current price of the 16613, and I would doubt any discounting for the first few months.

082013 · 19 April 2009, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by padi56

Well its all according what you class as a new model by adding say a ceramic bezel or clasp don't make it a new model.Just a updated old one, the main thing in all watches the movement has not changed, the others just purely cosmetic changes.

Bezel
Case
Clasp
Bracelet
Maxi Dial
AR coating on the cyclops

Cosmetic and functional, but a different watch to the current 16613.

jay_kay · 19 April 2009, 08:06 PM

It will be interesting to see how the new model affects the value of the 16610LV. If they do discontinue the 16610LV when the new larger case and ceracrom bezel watches launch the LV will be the most limited run of watches Rolex have ever made. 2003 to 2009 6 years. This in mind will the LV become a future classic (20 years down the line that is)? I think it will do, but you never know with Rolex. They may still run the LV side by side with the newer models?!?!?!?

J

Ignore much of what I have said, I am referencing the SS Sub, not yet been seen but I think we all know where it will be going.

SLS · 19 April 2009, 08:49 PM

For me looks are just as important to function, and to me the new TT Blue Sub does not hold a candle to the current TT Blue 16613 Sub, the new black TT model is a diferent story! I would guess to add another $1500-2000 to the price of the current MSRP for the new 116613 TT Sub.
~Scott

RolexPete32 · 19 April 2009, 09:23 PM

The only thing I like about it is the new guild lock clasp other then that Rolex is going with the times with all the ceramic and big watch cases as seen in the new 41 MM date just but that is another thread.

Keith Ur3 · 19 April 2009, 11:34 PM

Thanks, in reply to an above note. I am awaiting a quote for the new model, scheduled to be in Canada October 2009. I will post it when I get it. Based on all of the above info, it will be a tough choice, but I do like some of the new updates, am leaning towards the 2009 model. Thanks for all the inputs, very helpfull for my first day on the site!

19 April 2009, 06:58 PM	#1
Keith Ur3 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: United Nations Watch: GMT II Posts: 3	2008 Sub vs 2009 Sub, worth the wait ? Hi I have a GMT II and now need a Blue Sub. I see the new 2009 model has some updates, ceramic bezel, new clasp ? etc or am I wrong? What are your feelings, is it worth it to wait till October 2009 for the new model? Is the new one technically an improved watch?

19 April 2009, 07:49 PM	#2
Andad 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 37,534	I bought the current model in an 'M' a few months ago and I don't regret the decision. Any guess on the price for the new model. __________________ E

19 April 2009, 07:54 PM	#3
padi56 "TRF" Life Patron Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Peter Location: Llanfairpwllgwyng Watch: ing you. Posts: 53,063	Well its all according what you class as a new model by adding say a ceramic bezel or clasp don't make it a new model.Just a updated old one, the main thing in all watches the movement has not changed, the others just purely cosmetic changes. __________________ ICom Pro3 All posts are my own opinion and my opinion only. "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell just when the hands will stop. Now is the only time you actually own the time, Place no faith in time, for the clock may soon be still for ever." Good Judgement comes from experience,experience comes from Bad Judgement,.Buy quality, cry once; buy cheap, cry again and again. www.mc0yad.club Second in command CEO and left handed watch winder

19 April 2009, 08:00 PM	#5
walds11 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Real Name: Adam Location: Philly ‘burbs Posts: 5,660	No. I prefer the "classic" 16610. And I would not want to pay the higher price for the new Sub. __________________ Adam

19 April 2009, 08:06 PM	#8
jay_kay "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Barrowford Watch: Tudor Black Bay 54 Posts: 1,699	It will be interesting to see how the new model affects the value of the 16610LV. If they do discontinue the 16610LV when the new larger case and ceracrom bezel watches launch the LV will be the most limited run of watches Rolex have ever made. 2003 to 2009 6 years. This in mind will the LV become a future classic (20 years down the line that is)? I think it will do, but you never know with Rolex. They may still run the LV side by side with the newer models?!?!?!? J Ignore much of what I have said, I am referencing the SS Sub, not yet been seen but I think we all know where it will be going. __________________ Rolex Explorer 214270, Omega Speedmaster '1957 Relaunch' 3594.50.00, Panerai Luminor 1950 PAM00127-E, Panerai Radiomir 1936 PAM00249-I, Panerai Mare Nostrum PAM00716-T, Panerai PAM00785-Q Set, Panerai Luminor Black Seal PAM00594-Q, Panerai Luminor Daylight PAM00604-Q, Tudor Black Bay 54 79000N, Heuer Carrera Re-Edition CS3113, Hamilton Military W10 & TAG Heuer F1

19 April 2009, 07:55 PM	#4
PeterT "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: England Watch: 16613 16710 16600 Posts: 1,021	On Friday I was lucky enough to see the new blue/gold sub side by side with the 16613 TT Blue Sub in a local shop so that I could really compare the colours of the dial and bezel. I had my wife and eldest son with me and independently they both prefered the appearance of the older model. As you move your head from side to side the dial on the older model shimmers whereas the new dial appears "flat" in comparison. The older blue is a richer colour whereas in some lights the term "smurf" blue is a pretty good description. By the way the latest M or V serial numbers on the older model have a paler/brighter blue than the early models, I prefer this brighter blue. I played with what is maybe the new clasp as seen on a GMT IIC and that is certainly more substantial than the older model. Maybe if you buy the very latest serial number it will have the Parachrom hairspring inside but who knows without opening the watch. On balance, I prefer the older 16613 watch. PeterT

19 April 2009, 08:03 PM	#6
082013 Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: London Posts: 689	Plus you can expect a good $1000USD at least on top of the current price of the 16613, and I would doubt any discounting for the first few months.

19 April 2009, 08:49 PM	#9
SLS "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Scott Location: GMT -7 Watch: GMT's & Sub's Posts: 10,401	For me looks are just as important to function, and to me the new TT Blue Sub does not hold a candle to the current TT Blue 16613 Sub, the new black TT model is a diferent story! I would guess to add another $1500-2000 to the price of the current MSRP for the new 116613 TT Sub. ~Scott __________________ "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of lower price is forgotten." -Benjamin Franklin Member No. 922

19 April 2009, 09:23 PM	#10
RolexPete32 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Peter Location: Canada Watch: You know... Rolex Posts: 1,520	The only thing I like about it is the new guild lock clasp other then that Rolex is going with the times with all the ceramic and big watch cases as seen in the new 41 MM date just but that is another thread.

19 April 2009, 11:34 PM	#11
Keith Ur3 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: United Nations Watch: GMT II Posts: 3	Thanks, in reply to an above note. I am awaiting a quote for the new model, scheduled to be in Canada October 2009. I will post it when I get it. Based on all of the above info, it will be a tough choice, but I do like some of the new updates, am leaning towards the 2009 model. Thanks for all the inputs, very helpfull for my first day on the site!

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