Old 16610 for newer 14060m.. Good swap?

[Tri-National-Man]

Hi forum members.. First post in a while.. Hope you are all keeping safe in these crazy times..
So a possible offer is on the table.. I have an ageing 16610 from 1991.. In goodish shape.. No certificate.. Just for a change, I would like to swap for a 14060.. This one is on offer.. It has a service replacement case so is in excellent shape.. No cert, no bracelet.. Thought about a head only swap.. Good deal or not?

[ciceroyeah]

Originally Posted by Tri-National-Man

Hi forum members.. First post in a while.. Hope you are all keeping safe in these crazy times..
So a possible offer is on the table.. I have an ageing 16610 from 1991.. In goodish shape.. No certificate.. Just for a change, I would like to swap for a 14060.. This one is on offer.. It has a service replacement case so is in excellent shape.. No cert, no bracelet.. Thought about a head only swap.. Good deal or not?

Well let's look at what you have and what you'd be getting. You have what is likely an all-original neo-vintage submariner date with original bracelet. You'd be trading it for a possible franken with "service replacement" case which will have mismatched serial and non-original bracelet. IMO terrible idea.

[Paulie 50]

Originally Posted by ciceroyeah

Well let's look at what you have and what you'd be getting. You have what is likely an all-original neo-vintage submariner date with original bracelet. You'd be trading it for a possible franken with "service replacement" case which will have mismatched serial and non-original bracelet. IMO terrible idea.

Totally agree. To me it's a no brainer; but, it's the OPs decision. Good luck to him and indeed all the members of this fantastic forum. Stay safe.

[ciceroyeah]

Originally Posted by Paulie 50

Totally agree. To me it's a no brainer; but, it's the OPs decision. Good luck to him and indeed all the members of this fantastic forum. Stay safe.

I don't wish OP good luck because getting lucky when making an obviously terrible decision is how poor decision-making gets reinforced. Though in this case I would say there's no chance of getting lucky since he already knows the watch isn't all-original and is therefore a relatively bad deal.

[joli160]

You are joking us

[330ci]

Even if it were an all original 14060m I couldn’t see myself doing the trade.

[Paulie 50]

Originally Posted by ciceroyeah

I don't wish OP good luck because getting lucky when making an obviously terrible decision is how poor decision-making gets reinforced. Though in this case I would say there's no chance of getting lucky since he already knows the watch isn't all-original and is therefore a relatively bad deal.

I wasn't wishing him good luck regarding this deal, but rather hoping he has better luck in any further search. The man who hasn't made a poor decision once or twice in his life is indeed rare; probably as rare as Rocking Horse Sh..
Stay safe.

[Dan S]

Terrible deal for you IMO.

[offrdmania]

The trader of the 14060M would need to be adding cash to the deal for it to be an even trade.

[swish77]

The OP’s key phrase is “just for a change.” I’ve found that can be the worst reason to sell/swap a watch, assuming the watch is a good one to begin with. I’ve done it several times out of boredom and months/years later I regret it.

The 16610 is a classic, especially if it’s all original. The 14060 being considered doesn’t seem to be a good example. My suggestion is if you’re bored with a watch, put it away for six months. Don’t even look at it. Wear something else in the meantime, even if it’s a G-Shock. When you pull that old Sub back out of storage, I bet you’ll be happy you kept it. That’s been my experience anyway.

[Tri-National-Man]

Thanks for the feedback guys.. Yeah a bit more digging on the 14060 revealed it was a complete frankensub.. So the service case was stamped 14060.. (not M) but dial was a later “ Swiss made” but movement was a cal3000.. Too many anomalies for me..
But seriously though, aren’t good 14060Ms exchanging for same money as 16610s now?

[cm70]

I would not do that ...
I am telling you as a Submariner collector ... your Sub is better

[Styles Bitchley]

I think you’d have some big regrets with such a deal. I’d certainly miss the date, but that’s another discussion. Tuck it away and come back to it.

[Nikrnic]

Originally Posted by ciceroyeah

Well let's look at what you have and what you'd be getting. You have what is likely an all-original neo-vintage submariner date with original bracelet. You'd be trading it for a possible franken with "service replacement" case which will have mismatched serial and non-original bracelet. IMO terrible idea.

X2.. good idea, at least I prefer a no date but not for this one..

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[ciceroyeah]

Originally Posted by Tri-National-Man

Thanks for the feedback guys.. Yeah a bit more digging on the 14060 revealed it was a complete frankensub.. So the service case was stamped 14060.. (not M) but dial was a later “ Swiss made” but movement was a cal3000.. Too many anomalies for me..
But seriously though, aren’t good 14060Ms exchanging for same money as 16610s now?

I would recommend keeping your date sub and if you like a no-date just buy another one that's intact and with box + papers if possible. You might even make some money if you eventually resell it and prices keep rising. There are a lot of trustworthy vintage dealers on Rolexforums including Recaro18 (Crown in Oyster Case), vintagerlx, craft&tailored, tjbender (Fog City Vintage), b.wayne (Grey and Patina) etc. etc. etc. Their instagram accounts and websites typically feature the most up-to-date stock.

[Tri-National-Man]

Just to update you guys.. I AM NOT doing the deal for the reasons I listed in my last post..
Thank you for your advice and feedback..��

[springer]

If you feel the need to trade your classic Submariner for a 14060, at least find a 14060 that has the original case, dial/hands, bracelet etc. and not a service parts example. You'll be much happier in the long run - especially when you get ready to trade the 14060 for something else.

[lhendrickson]

What I think has already been said above (service case, mixed bits – OP addressed this, too). Were the 14060M totally kosher, I would perhaps entertain the trade. Pricing is seemingly equivalent right now however one big thing for me would be the loss of the date function. Personally, I use that every day with my 1601 and wouldn't want to lose out on it. I've actually been eyeing 16610s for that very reason after being on the hunt for some nice 14060s and 14060Ms.

[Jackie Daytona]

Why not just play with the sub you have rather than trade? It’s your watch to do as you please. Put it on a nato of some sort, remove the cyclops you have what you were looking to trade for basically, and you know the watch already.

[SLS]

Pass, pass, pass...Horrible deal for you.

[doramas]

I would never do it.
Are 16610 - 14060 - 14060M considered vintage?

[Tri-National-Man]

Originally Posted by doramas

I would never do it.
Are 16610 - 14060 - 14060M considered vintage?

“Neo vintage” I think is the term for these sapphire/aluminium bezel models now

[doramas]

Originally Posted by Tri-National-Man

“Neo vintage” I think is the term for these sapphire/aluminium bezel models now

I like the new term.

[athom]

swaping a 11610 for a 14060 is for me a good idea since I prefer the sub compared to the sub date...but it would have to be a perfect one...

[Gerardus]

Bad deal IMHO

[Golfbone]

So many have made it clear that this is a terrible trade for you to consider that my thoughts are just piling on at this point. It is a terrible trade for you. You have the better watch by far in your own hands. My advice would be to keep it.

[Marcjvr]

Originally Posted by Tri-National-Man

Hi forum members.. First post in a while.. Hope you are all keeping safe in these crazy times..
So a possible offer is on the table.. I have an ageing 16610 from 1991.. In goodish shape.. No certificate.. Just for a change, I would like to swap for a 14060.. This one is on offer.. It has a service replacement case so is in excellent shape.. No cert, no bracelet.. Thought about a head only swap.. Good deal or not?

Just so I am clear, what is this “certificate” you keep mentioning?

[PepsiBezel]

The service case is sort of the watch collecting version of buying a car with a rebuilt title...

[scousejames]

I'm still a newbie to the Rolex world, and can offer no advice on the trade.
But just curious as to why a service case is so frowned upon?
I do understand that most prefer to have the watch as it were from the factory, but on the flip side, I see a lot of posts about over polished cases on the 5 digits, so with a service case, would that not be like having a "brand new" 5 digit watch?

[Brny11]

16610 for 14060 is a good idea. Your 16610 for a franken-14060 is a terrible idea. Keep searching.


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