My First 9411/0!!

[avendlerdp]

Hello all. After a somewhat stressful shipping experience (customs in NY took forever) from a super honest and knowledgable seller in the UK, my 9411/0 has finally arrived. I know it's sporting some non original hands and maybe the wrong crown, but overall it's surprisingly unmolested and looks hardly worn. It runs perfectly and has held excelent time over the past few days. I'm hooked!

My ultimate plan is to source the correct bracelet and hands (if I can find them) and have it returned to original as possible condition. Please take a look at these pictures and weigh in as to what other parts appear to be replacements that might be possible to restore to correct.

Thanks on advance and enjoy the PICS!! (Annoying .zip file for higher res.)

[JustinK]

Who is the seller?

[avendlerdp]

He is a private seller who lives in the UK. Nice guy, very honest about the watch and it's various non original parts. The price reflected these shortcomings (I hope).

[1675-David]

I think you should reach out to the seller and demand a refund

[avendlerdp]

Wow. Totally fake?

[avendlerdp]

What are the issues you see? The movement appears authentic and matches every picture I have been able to find. I realize the hands are wrong but what about the case and the rest of it?

[linesiders]

I hate to say it, dude. All not good. I am an avid Tudor collector that has handled and owned dozens of these. No good.

[avendlerdp]

This is sad news indeed. I guess now I'll be testing the honesty of the seller in a big way. What are the specific things I should be bringing up as clear points of this being a fake? The movement is a really good copy from what I can see but I'm also not an expert, just a fan.

It looks like the area between the jugs is missing the vertical machine marks for starters but I didn't know that then is an automatic sign of a fake.

Thanks for the input. Before I reach out to the seller I just want to have my notes in order fro obvious reasons. That said, I think he might be honest and was taken fro a ride before me.

[avendlerdp]

Terrible news.

What should I mention as highlights of it's inauthenticity when I contact the seller? As I said before I knew some of the parts weren't original but you're saying even the movement is a replica?

Runs great lol.

Thanks so much for the info.

[linesiders]

Everything is fake, movement, case, engravings, dial, hands. All no bueno.

[avendlerdp]

Well. That's a major blow.

Thanks for the input. I'll contact the seller asap. I think he might not have known what he sold me because he never gave any indication of rushing the deal or trying to hide his identity.

What is something specific I can point to that indicates fakeness? I just don't want to go back saying it's fake and then not be able to clearly articulate why. That would be even more embarrassing than this already is. You can PM me if you want to. Thanks for the help and I'll report back about this ASAP!

[interestedwatcher]

That's fake.

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=788189

^ use that as a reference image and compare the case, engravings, hands and dial. Hope you get your money back.

[avendlerdp]

Thank you! I can see the differences now. Will do. The guy is in the UK so I'll wait until tomorrow to contact him and see what he says.

[avendlerdp]

Where do these fake parts come from? Someone went through a lot of effort to make this thing I must say.

[avendlerdp]

I looked up the serial number.

Here is the real 845671

Sold in 2013.

[interestedwatcher]

That should be enough proof. If bought via eBay or chrono get them involved early.

[interestedwatcher]

What did you pay for it?

[Kingsking]

Seems like all these custom fake builds are coming out of Asia , I see a few Tudor subs listed every week from Asia just like this . They are very sketchy about the way they list them too, never actually calling anything authentic but using ref numbers etc .

[avendlerdp]

Originally Posted by interestedwatcher

What did you pay for it?

Less than what real one should go for but more than an obvious fake should go for. :(

[avendlerdp]

The seller is a private individual in the UK who was friendly and responsive to communication and I think he really thought the watch was real. I have images of his ID and address etc.. If he's a scammer he's very facile at it and has a stolen identity as well as excellent acting skills lol.

The watch was originally on Ebay but the auction was ended early and I (foolishly) contacted him to buy it privately. We struck a deal in the mid 4 figures USD.

Before I share all his info etc.. I'm going to give him a chance to reverse the transaction. I want to be fair even in this terrible situation.

Stand by until tomorrow because that's when I'll reach out. Thanks again for the information. I'm new to the forum but have already learned a lot from this amazing resource.

[Rcvoelkel]

Nice!

[zapokee]

Feel sorry for the OP.

Take-home lesson: Post photos for verification BEFORE you buy a piece.

[Kingsking]

Originally Posted by avendlerdp

The watch was originally on Ebay

This is where I see all those asian fake custom builds I was talking about , if you bought it on eBay escalate the claim right away, don't let him give you reasons to delay the transaction.

[interestedwatcher]

Originally Posted by Kingsking

This is where I see all those asian fake custom builds I was talking about , if you bought it on eBay escalate the claim right away, don't let him give you reasons to delay the transaction.

He did the deal outside of eBay.

[Kingsking]

Originally Posted by interestedwatcher

He did the deal outside of eBay.

Missed that part, ouch . Hopefully he paid with PayPal or credit card.

[Filipão]

PayPal at least? Wow, major blow. Fingers crossed for you OP

[Flexjet]

Keep us posted and all the best in solving it all

[harry in montreal]

Sorry OP, let us know if you get a refund.

Please read this to understand real vs fake. It’s not comprehensive, but a great start

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=119888


I have tried to send eBay reports for these Chinese copies for years. They just stopped taking them down. It’s terrible.

I don’t want to offend anyone here but sellers in Italy and Japan must be approached very carefully.

Anyone contemplating a tudor sub really should check here first.

[avendlerdp]

Great news!

OK. So as I suspected the seller is a decent guy. He was, like me, too ready to overlook the watches flaws because it runs so well and pretty much looks the part unless you know a lot.

After some polite discussion we arrived at a solution where he sent me back most of my money and I kept the watch. Why? Because shipping and doing all that takes time and seeing a big fraction of my money returned was a bird in the hand. Lessons are often expensive and this one was pretty cheap all told.

So now I have what I shall call the "Fauxflake". If it didn't say "Tudor" on the face it would be a pretty nice generic daily beater. It holds a few seconds a day and has at least a 24 hour power reserve (still running it down). My new plan is to replace the face with an unbranded one and wear this thing to the beach or whatever.

Thanks so much for the amazing wealth of knowledge on the forum. BTW I am still in the market for a real Tudor Sub. Can be a less vintage post-snowflake model but authentic this time!

[Rcvoelkel]

Great news!