Help what is what on this 5512 1959? expert advice needed

[EONwatches]

Hi guys, new here, happy to be here!

got offered this one but i am totally lost on it. Need some expert advice, my questions:

- serial dates to 1959 but engraving of serial and ref are weird? or this is possible in this time frame? is this a service case?
- Meter first dial looks all good but is later right?
- caseback looks correct?
- movement looks correct?
- bezel correct for 1959?

in general is the questions, what is what? i am lost, been searching for hours now

[TimeToGo]

Ah, Long-E. Been a while since I saw one of those. No good..

Do you have a picture of the serial?

[EONwatches]

Originally Posted by TimeToGo

Ah, Long-E. Been a while since I saw one of those. No good..

Do you have a picture of the serial?

yess, see picture, what you mean with LongE? it's GMT dials no?

[TimeToGo]

Same concept, but look at the "E"s on REGISTERED DESIGN

Anyway, nothing like it should look. See similar examples here:

https://www.hqmilton.com/timepieces/...-pcg-case-A761

https://www.hqmilton.com/timepieces/...-bracelet-9436

[1665fan]

No good….

[TimeToGo]

Here are examples of service cases (note the font):

https://www.hqmilton.com/timepieces/...vice-case-5594

https://www.hqmilton.com/timepieces/...vice-case-9284
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[EONwatches]

but do you guys mean it's fake? or is it a service stuff? Cause if rest is good then i can find a good dial/bezel.

[1665fan]

Originally Posted by EONwatches

but do you guys mean it's fake? or is it a service stuff? Cause if rest is good then i can find a good dial/bezel.

Fake/re engraved case….

[antrolexsub]

As above, fake case and insert. Movement is also a later 1570. Later meters first 5513 dial which is real but missing most of the lume. It’s a put together franken watch.

[Dan S]

You might want to indicate who is selling this.

[artisanswatch]

Originally Posted by Dan S

You might want to indicate who is selling this.

We will never hear form him again...

[greekbum]

Made in the Vietnamese Alps

[EONwatches]

Ok that sucks. so case fake that i understand. Inlay fake, case fake. hands and dial real but 5513 and missing lume. but meters first so worth something. so what about caseback? it's also fake? I might still buy for parts(if they worth something). Seller is not pretending that is all good but just asking me for a bid on the thing and i am trying to see what value still in there.

thanks for the help

[77T]

How did the narrative jump to a 5513 from the original 5512 question? If a typo I understand.

There is nothing more to say if you’re cloaking the seller. As a very new member posting a fake Sub it is normal for folks to not give you a blow-by-blow.


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[1675-David]

Every aspect of that watch is horrible, walk away.

[FrenchBigCrown]

Originally Posted by EONwatches

Ok that sucks. so case fake that i understand. Inlay fake, case fake. hands and dial real but 5513 and missing lume. but meters first so worth something. so what about caseback? it's also fake? I might still buy for parts(if they worth something). Seller is not pretending that is all good but just asking me for a bid on the thing and i am trying to see what value still in there.

thanks for the help

Just walk away dude.

[Pilot1985]

Originally Posted by EONwatches

Ok that sucks. so case fake that i understand. Inlay fake, case fake. hands and dial real but 5513 and missing lume. but meters first so worth something. so what about caseback? it's also fake? I might still buy for parts(if they worth something). Seller is not pretending that is all good but just asking me for a bid on the thing and i am trying to see what value still in there.

thanks for the help

May I ask why you didn’t say the seller is not pretending is all good?

Also would be curious to know who the seller is to steer away….

[1665fan]

Originally Posted by Pilot1985

May I ask why you didn’t say the seller is not pretending is all good?

Also would be curious to know who the seller is to steer away….

He might be the seller or his buddy…..that’s why

[piedpiper]

Yes be careful how much advice you offer here

[EONwatches]

Guys honestly, i am not selling this. i am considering buying it and just wanted honest advice on it as i couldnt figure out what is legit and good and what is fake/not 5512. I will take it today to watchmaker to see what is what. I just dont want to tell the sellers name he's an honest person just asking for a price. He bought this and wants me to make a bid on it. All the fake parts will go into the rubish and the real parts will be sold in case i buy it.

just wanted to clearify this. no scamming here and all the fake parts will be destroyed. i am just trying to figure out what is real and whats not and what it belongs to.

[EONwatches]

Originally Posted by 1665fan

He might be the seller or his buddy…..that’s why

I am not, i am the buyer. And the seller indeed is a guy i know well but he's just looking for a bid, could be 500usd, could be 5000usd. i am just trying to figure out what parts are real and what can go in the rubbish. Just looking for advice

[Mark020]

Why bother?

[alwayshere]

I think you already have most of the answers to your question.

Go to HQmilton site and look up 5512 / 5513 and do the rest of your homework.

We don't want to share too much because most of the this watch is fake.

[EONwatches]

Originally Posted by alwayshere

I think you already have most of the answers to your question.

Go to HQmilton site and look up 5512 / 5513 and do the rest of your homework.

We don't want to share too much because most of the this watch is fake.

Yes i do, thanks for the input and i will pass on it or make a bid just for movement and dial/hands. Rest will be destroyed

[linesiders]

I don't think anything is legit.

Side note: a 1959 is going to be a Square Crown (insanely rare) or a Pointed - this is neither.

What is it worth? It is worth a trip to jail for Fraud.

[1675-David]

Originally Posted by EONwatches

…or make a bid just for movement and dial/hands. Rest will be destroyed

Why even bother?

[subx]

" Asking for a Friend "
" Just Inherited "
" Considering Buying "
" Seller is Honest guy so I can't tell you his name "


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[linesiders]

Originally Posted by subx

" Asking for a Friend "
" Just Inherited "
" Considering Buying "
" Seller is Honest guy so I can't tell you his name "


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[Carew]

ughhhhhhhhhhh

[Wahlberg]

Originally Posted by EONwatches

Yes i do, thanks for the input and i will pass on it or make a bid just for movement and dial/hands. Rest will be destroyed

Why hasn't your friend done this? Someone is going to get scammed by this. You know it, or perhaps you will do it yourself?