ad relationship building options

[wally313]

hi to all.

first time posting, im in a slight pickle haha

i moved os for work and have access to a few pieces at retail that i was never offered at home.

i am wondering if its worth contacting my sales rep from ad at home as i have been trying to build my profile with him, making purchases in order to acquire the much desired subdate that i have been wanting for many years but waiting on for 1.5 since the first tudor pelagos lhd purchase.

i would be basing the discussion on the fact that i have x and y piece available for purchase here but would prefer to continue to spend at local ad and continue to build my profile, would they suggest i wait and they try get me those pieces x and y?

or.... is it better i just buy at ad of where im working os and try build my profile there as the pieces are available for purchase , hopefully then allowing me the chance to purchase my desired sub?

any advice or information would be highly appreciated

kind regards

[mquarter]

Buy what you can get NOW, not based on future promises that weren’t even made.

[joli160]

The AD at home has you on his leash, clever SA
You think they care about you in current climate where they can sell any watch that comes in within 5 minutes ?

Your new shop offered it for MSRP and you didn’t buy it immediately ?
You really must like waiting.

[Closs1909]

If you have access to what you want from an AD at retail, purchase it from that dealer. I would not contact your dealer at home other than to maybe remove your name from their waitlist for whatever watch you’re about to purchase.

[wally313]

its not exactly the watches im after that are available to me os , but one is a ss model that is constantly being discussed to be discontinued so i suppose its a no brainer

just thinking future relationship and as to what will hopefully acquire me the sub first

[Paka]

AD relationship building options? Try to marry your AD, that's one option to build a relationship.

Okay, serious. Go grey.

[wally313]

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[wally313]

Originally Posted by joli160

The AD at home has you on his leash, clever SA
You think they care about you in current climate where they can sell any watch that comes in within 5 minutes ?

Your new shop offered it for MSRP and you didn’t buy it immediately ?
You really must like waiting.

yes i suppose you do make alot of sense haha

[padi56]

Originally Posted by wally313

hi to all.

first time posting, im in a slight pickle haha

i moved os for work and have access to a few pieces at retail that i was never offered at home.

i am wondering if its worth contacting my sales rep from ad at home as i have been trying to build my profile with him, making purchases in order to acquire the much desired subdate that i have been wanting for many years but waiting on for 1.5 since the first tudor pelagos lhd purchase.

i would be basing the discussion on the fact that i have x and y piece available for purchase here but would prefer to continue to spend at local ad and continue to build my profile, would they suggest i wait and they try get me those pieces x and y?

or.... is it better i just buy at ad of where im working os and try build my profile there as the pieces are available for purchase , hopefully then allowing me the chance to purchase my desired sub?

any advice or information would be highly appreciated

kind regards

Most all of the so called AD relationship stuff mainly exists in internet land.All ADs are just a business that sell watches and like all retail business there aim is to sell as many of there retail products to anyone who enters there retail store.Just be polite ask what they have in stock but today cash is king, if in stock and its the watch you really want just buy.

[amanbra]

Originally Posted by mquarter

Buy what you can get NOW, not based on future promises that weren’t even made.

This, get what you can now. If you get the watch you want twice sell one, you’ll most likely make money on it, but worst case you won’t lose much money.

No need to be “Nice” or “loyal” to an AD, they have a game to play in this current market so you play yours.

[mattidk]

Easier to speark to your SA honestly what do they need or preference, some ADs prefer you purchase non Rolex watches and/or jewelry, do services - i heard some ADs even use point system on this.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by amanbra

This, get what you can now. If you get the watch you want twice sell one, you’ll most likely make money on it, but worst case you won’t lose much money.

No need to be “Nice” or “loyal” to an AD, they have a game to play in this current market so you play yours.

Sorry cannot agree and this is why we are in the present situation with these so called AD games, because Rolex watches have become just ££$$€€ objects and nothing more.

[amanbra]

Originally Posted by padi56

Sorry cannot agree and this is why we are in the present situation with these so called AD games, because Rolex watches have become just ££$$€€ objects and nothing more.

Well the situation is what it is, OP has been waiting for ages for a damn watch, but end goal is prefer to have an AD who will sell him stuff into the future when he is back home.

I know what I suggested is part of the issue with the world right now but OP just wants a watch and unfortunately has a game to play. If he gets offer the watch from his home AD later and he says no, that’s likely going to end that AD as an opinion in the future as he will be marked as a time wasting tyre kicker. That’s a really crappy situation. The whole situation is crap, we just have to make the most of it. Just my view.

I don’t think OP sees these watches as money objects, I certainly don’t, I’ve most more about accuracy issues etc than almost anyone, because for me this is a super important part of the hobby. Hobby that’s being wrecked by any other factors. And I know how much you hate accuracy discussions but these are chronometers, some people love this aspect of watches.

[TomCarter]

You’ve waited 1.5 years for a sub to no avail, definitely don’t call that ad and buy what you can from the new guys.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by amanbra

Well the situation is what it is, OP has been waiting for ages for a damn watch, but end goal is prefer to have an AD who will sell him stuff into the future when he is back home.

I know what I suggested is part of the issue with the world right now but OP just wants a watch and unfortunately has a game to play. If he gets offer the watch from his home AD later and he says no, that’s likely going to end that AD as an opinion in the future as he will be marked as a time wasting tyre kicker. That’s a really crappy situation. The whole situation is crap, we just have to make the most of it. Just my view.

I don’t think OP sees these watches as money objects, I certainly don’t, I’ve most more about accuracy issues etc than almost anyone, because for me this is a super important part of the hobby. Hobby that’s being wrecked by any other factors. And I know how much you hate accuracy discussions but these are chronometers, some people love this aspect of watches.

Many of todays so called chronometers are not as accurate as the first real ships chronometer made over 300 years ago by John Harrison. And today even movements like the Chinese made Seagull ST19 when regulated correctly can run consistently too or inside todays Swiss chronometer spec cost of movement less than $100.

[Harry-57]

Originally Posted by wally313

i would be basing the discussion on the fact that i have x and y piece available for purchase here but would prefer to continue to spend at local ad and continue to build my profile,

Not sure I'm reading this right.

You can buy watches you want for MSRP now? Why haven't you bought them?

Originally Posted by wally313

acquire the much desired subdate that i have been wanting for many years but waiting on for 1.5 since the first tudor pelagos lhd purchase.

This says it all. This AD is wasting your time.

[amanbra]

Originally Posted by padi56

Many of todays so called chronometers are not as accurate as the first real ships chronometer made over 300 years ago by John Harrison. And today even movements like the Chinese made Seagull ST19 when regulated correctly can run consistently too or inside todays Swiss chronometer spec cost of movement less than $100.

Yes but now we have anti magnetic watches, more power reserve, finally some new escapements etc. Some of us geeks are really into that.

Only if more manufacturers can make watches that are as tough, waterproof and well designed as Rolex they’d get my money. Unfortunately most other brands are far too big, thick etc. All I want is to be able to do is get about watches I want. The situation is horrendous… but I’m playing the game as best i can.

[Pw92676]

This poem is for your AD relationship love life:

Roses are red, violets are blue,
It’s a crazy market in twenty twenty-two
All is fair in love and war,
Anywhere you can buy retail is a major score.
Stroll out the store with any Rolex,
Head straight to the ‘Gram to post a flex.
But make sure to leave the stickers on,
So in a week you get get your flipper on.

[Pw92676]

Serious advice: buy what you want if available at your local AD then request something different at your home AD. Take stickers off and enjoy lol

[EEpro]

If you want those watches then buy them

[zengineer]

Originally Posted by wally313

hi to all.



first time posting, im in a slight pickle haha



i moved os for work and have access to a few pieces at retail that i was never offered at home.



i am wondering if its worth contacting my sales rep from ad at home as i have been trying to build my profile with him, making purchases in order to acquire the much desired subdate that i have been wanting for many years but waiting on for 1.5 since the first tudor pelagos lhd purchase.



i would be basing the discussion on the fact that i have x and y piece available for purchase here but would prefer to continue to spend at local ad and continue to build my profile, would they suggest i wait and they try get me those pieces x and y?



or.... is it better i just buy at ad of where im working os and try build my profile there as the pieces are available for purchase , hopefully then allowing me the chance to purchase my desired sub?



any advice or information would be highly appreciated



kind regards

Just buy the watches at your OS location.

If they are desirable models (what Rolex isn't these days?) the home AD will have no trouble finding a buyer for any watch they had you in mind for. If they haven't come up with a basic Sub Date in a year and a half then you aren't very high on their ladder anyhow.

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[1William]

Buy the watches as they become available to you. Why has the AD not posted about wanting to acquire you as a customer and take care of you. What to know why? They do not care if you ever darken the door again as they can sell everything they have immediately. Act accordingly and in your own interest. It is not that hard.

[HHIslander]

Originally Posted by Pw92676

This poem is for your AD relationship love life:

Roses are red, violets are blue,
It’s a crazy market in twenty twenty-two
All is fair in love and war,
Anywhere you can buy retail is a major score.
Stroll out the store with any Rolex,
Head straight to the ‘Gram to post a flex.
But make sure to leave the stickers on,
So in a week you get get your flipper on.

Nice. I lol’d.

[m j b]

I don't understand why people will spend thousands of dollars on a watch that they don't want.

Oh, and if I may, I agree with Peter that this whole "relationship" building myth is just that, unless you are a whale.

if you are truly a whale, you wouldn't be asking 'how do I get a watch'? You'd just get it. Because whales know who they are.

I am, BTW, not a whale. A minnow, perhaps.

A very cute minnow. But still, a minnow.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by amanbra

Yes but now we have anti magnetic watches, more power reserve, finally some new escapements etc. Some of us geeks are really into that.

Only if more manufacturers can make watches that are as tough, waterproof and well designed as Rolex they’d get my money. Unfortunately most other brands are far too big, thick etc. All I want is to be able to do is get about watches I want. The situation is horrendous… but I’m playing the game as best i can.

Yes they did 300 years ago with John Harrison's H2 watch after 67 days at sea in one of the toughest environments known to man just lost 6 seconds. Basically the escapement has not changed very little for many many decades, Except for the George Daniels in many ways the coaxial escapement is as perfect as it gets and in many ways better than even the Rolex escapement. Now the George Daniels escapement has been available to the market for 40 plus years George Daniels had attempted to introduce his escapement to the Swiss industry,like Omega,Patek,Piguet,Zenith and even Rolex had prototypes in 1986 and 1989.

But there are many reasons why these companies entertained Daniels and many reasons why they decided to pass on the escapement. It seems to me that in the main it was an issue of expense to retool and develop the escapement for already built series of production movements and that it was then a unknown quantity, which was made in one-offs for the connoisseur to try in those very early years. Now this Daniels escapement needed to be oiled correctly to work 100% and many of the watch industry did not follow Daniels instructions to the letter, most did not follow his advice for the VPH (vibrations per hour).

Now when Patek Philippe decided to try his escapement and three wristwatch sized prototypes were made to test by Patek themselves. Now the movement drawings were discussed and Daniels saw one big stumbling block, the proportion of the extra driving wheel to his escapement. Now Patek rejected his notion, and even in the face of Daniels working with the Patek provided movement prototype. By 1982 his prototype was cased and dialled from the Patek factory,Daniels stated he gave the watch daily use for twelve years, when the self winding mechanism failed, properly from lack of maintenance. It was not serviced to test the effectiveness of the escapement over a 12 year period. The Daniels escapement functioned perfectly, now the Patek analysis was quite critical and the prime fault was in the gears, which Daniels had mentioned at the beginning of the project.


So why is the Daniels escapement not used in many of the high end watch houses. Well IMHO I imagine it may have been as simple as "Not Swiss Made." or may turn out to be too complicated to make on a mass production scale or re-tool machines in-house?. But now Omega for one, plus a few more have made it work to a very high standard indeed. So today when you think of the humble wrist watch, basically changing little since John Harrison's days almost 300 years ago. With tweaks like power-reserve to the basic escapement over the past 250 years, I wonder what would have happened if Daniels was alive in John Harrison's days.
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[jrs146]

5 years ago you could build a relationship with an AD and eventually get nice discounts on pretty much any watch.

3 years ago if you had those relationships already in place, and continued or started to spend big money you could maybe get one or two pieces (maybe) at MSRP.

Now - there’s hardly any relationship. It’s all business. Whoever spends the most gets the watch. Go buy a huge diamond. You will start a relationship. Otherwise, your options are to wait patiently and likely never get the call. Maybe you get lucky. Maybe you don’t. Or go gray.

There are a few diamond in the ruff AD’s out there who actually want to see watches end up in the hands of collectors, where spending isn’t a priority. But this late into the game it’s really really hard to be identified as one of those.


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[amanbra]

Originally Posted by padi56

Yes they did 300 years ago with John Harrison's H2 watch after 67 days at sea in one of the toughest environments known to man just lost 6 seconds. Basically the escapement has not changed very little for many many decades, Except for the George Daniels in many ways the coaxial escapement is as perfect as it gets and in many ways better than even the Rolex escapement. Now the George Daniels escapement has been available to the market for 40 plus years George Daniels had attempted to introduce his escapement to the Swiss industry,like Omega,Patek,Piguet,Zenith and even Rolex had prototypes in 1986 and 1989.

But there are many reasons why these companies entertained Daniels and many reasons why they decided to pass on the escapement. It seems to me that in the main it was an issue of expense to retool and develop the escapement for already built series of production movements and that it was then a unknown quantity, which was made in one-offs for the connoisseur to try in those very early years. Now this Daniels escapement needed to be oiled correctly to work 100% and many of the watch industry did not follow Daniels instructions to the letter, most did not follow his advice for the VPH (vibrations per hour).

Now when Patek Philippe decided to try his escapement and three wristwatch sized prototypes were made to test by Patek themselves. Now the movement drawings were discussed and Daniels saw one big stumbling block, the proportion of the extra driving wheel to his escapement. Now Patek rejected his notion, and even in the face of Daniels working with the Patek provided movement prototype. By 1982 his prototype was cased and dialled from the Patek factory,Daniels stated he gave the watch daily use for twelve years, when the self winding mechanism failed, properly from lack of maintenance. It was not serviced to test the effectiveness of the escapement over a 12 year period. The Daniels escapement functioned perfectly, now the Patek analysis was quite critical and the prime fault was in the gears, which Daniels had mentioned at the beginning of the project.


So why is the Daniels escapement not used in many of the high end watch houses. Well IMHO I imagine it may have been as simple as "Not Swiss Made." or may turn out to be too complicated to make on a mass production scale or re-tool machines in-house?. But now Omega for one, plus a few more have made it work to a very high standard indeed. So today when you think of the humble wrist watch, basically changing little since John Harrison's days almost 300 years ago. With tweaks like power-reserve to the basic escapement over the past 250 years, I wonder what would have happened if Daniels was alive in John Harrison's days.
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Yep so what did I do as soon as the first ground up co-axial watch was released? I got one, 8500 DeVille. It’s been ridiculously good at it’s job for 15 years. This is also not a watch a person worried about $$$ buys…

You demonstrate deep knowledge around horology, that’s great, what isn’t are the games we need to play to get a few Rolexes which is what this thread is about and should be what’s discussed. The reality of the situation is we need to play these games if we don’t want to go to the grey market and want the watches that we want. Let’s get back on topic, don’t assume we’re all “investment” people. The game is the game, don’t hate the players, it’s just the way of the world right now.

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by padi56

Yes they did 300 years ago with John Harrison's H2 watch after 67 days at sea in one of the toughest environments known to man just lost 6 seconds. Basically the escapement has not changed very little for many many decades, Except for the George Daniels in many ways the coaxial escapement is as perfect as it gets and in many ways better than even the Rolex escapement. Now the George Daniels escapement has been available to the market for 40 plus years George Daniels had attempted to introduce his escapement to the Swiss industry,like Omega,Patek,Piguet,Zenith and even Rolex had prototypes in 1986 and 1989.

But there are many reasons why these companies entertained Daniels and many reasons why they decided to pass on the escapement. It seems to me that in the main it was an issue of expense to retool and develop the escapement for already built series of production movements and that it was then a unknown quantity, which was made in one-offs for the connoisseur to try in those very early years. Now this Daniels escapement needed to be oiled correctly to work 100% and many of the watch industry did not follow Daniels instructions to the letter, most did not follow his advice for the VPH (vibrations per hour).

Now when Patek Philippe decided to try his escapement and three wristwatch sized prototypes were made to test by Patek themselves. Now the movement drawings were discussed and Daniels saw one big stumbling block, the proportion of the extra driving wheel to his escapement. Now Patek rejected his notion, and even in the face of Daniels working with the Patek provided movement prototype. By 1982 his prototype was cased and dialled from the Patek factory,Daniels stated he gave the watch daily use for twelve years, when the self winding mechanism failed, properly from lack of maintenance. It was not serviced to test the effectiveness of the escapement over a 12 year period. The Daniels escapement functioned perfectly, now the Patek analysis was quite critical and the prime fault was in the gears, which Daniels had mentioned at the beginning of the project.


So why is the Daniels escapement not used in many of the high end watch houses. Well IMHO I imagine it may have been as simple as "Not Swiss Made." or may turn out to be too complicated to make on a mass production scale or re-tool machines in-house?. But now Omega for one, plus a few more have made it work to a very high standard indeed. So today when you think of the humble wrist watch, basically changing little since John Harrison's days almost 300 years ago. With tweaks like power-reserve to the basic escapement over the past 250 years, I wonder what would have happened if Daniels was alive in John Harrison's days.
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Great info.

[Gab27]

AD relationships are built on economics. They are financial relationships, and stronger financial relationships have more business value. Said bluntly, whether or not you get the Sub41 will probably depend on what business value an AD deems you to have relative to their other options.

[Polar Bear]

"Its not cheating if you're in different area codes"