Help with Daytona 6263

[avilhena]

Hello dear friends,

I am looking to buy this 6263, so I want to check with the experts if everything is matching and correct. Could you please help me??






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[swish77]

Everything appears to be service replacements ... dial, hands and bezel. Pushers are also the later style, but 6.1 million was close to the cross-over time, so maybe/maybe not replaced, although that's much more minor. The good news is that the case looks quite nice.

Nothing necessarily wrong with a service Rolex as long as you are aware that all the vintage soul (and value) is gone, and the watch is priced accordingly.

[avilhena]

Originally Posted by swish77

Everything appears to be service replacements ... dial, hands and bezel. Pushers are also the later style, but 6.1 million was close to the cross-over time, so maybe/maybe not replaced, although that's much more minor. The good news is that the case looks quite nice.

Nothing necessarily wrong with a service Rolex as long as you are aware that all the vintage soul (and value) is gone, and the watch is priced accordingly.

Hello, thank you very much for your input. How much do you think it is worth? The seller is asking 85k.


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[swish77]

Originally Posted by avilhena

Hello, thank you very much for your input. How much do you think it is worth? The seller is asking 85k.


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Crazy money for a 6263 that is all service parts, IMHO, like double what it should be. I’d suggest you stretch your budget a bit and look for a 6263 with its original parts. If you can go to 85K, I’d imagine you could go to 95K-100K.

It depends on what you’re looking for, but the beauty (and value) of a vintage watch is in its original parts. This watch has none of them.

[TuRo]

Originally Posted by swish77

Crazy money for a 6263 that is all service parts, IMHO, like double what it should be. I’d suggest you stretch your budget a bit and look for a 6263 with its original parts. If you can go to 85K, I’d imagine you could go to 95K-100K.

It depends on what you’re looking for, but the beauty (and value) of a vintage watch is in its original parts. This watch has none of them.

Agree, especially as it's not a 1990-2004 t swiss t service dial and instead a post 2005 (Rolex had 4 years t swiss t tucked away as they did with 16750/16760 tritinova dials) swiss service dial - So it's only orig mid-case, CB and the calibre 727. The Small Red (service dial that weirdly I quite like aesthetically as print is so crisp and the red is very vibrant), but as swish says it kills the originality and the value and exacerbated by all the later pushers etc etc here in the UK that watch would be 2/3rds (at the most) of a big red at about £40-45,000 tops and being swiss probably £30-35k tops.

[1665fan]

Originally Posted by avilhena

Hello, thank you very much for your input. How much do you think it is worth? The seller is asking 85k.


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Waaay to high for service parts……spend a little more for original

[1watch]

That’s way overpriced and even if price was much lower, would be hard to sell to any collector with the service parts in the future.


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[vintagewaferthin]

I must say, it does look pretty crisp with those service parts, at least in my opinion, but as others have said, price is on the steep side when you consider the service parts.

[rootbeer7]

At the right price a stunning and properly usable vintage piece.

[avilhena]

Thank you everybody for the input!! I decided not to continue with the purchase!


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[benz2op]

Hi everyone,

I'm a new member here and I'm learning a lot from reading these posts. Sorry to bring back the thread a year later, however, I have also found myself in the same situation as avilhena. My local dealer is listing a similar piece with the post-2004 service dial (SWISS) for $62,000 USD (there is no service card like the owner's thread). From reading the post I understand that the value and soul of the watch is gone so it shouldn't be considered an investment piece, but if from a standpoint of a usable vintage timepiece, do you think this price is appropriate in the current market?

Please let me know as the 6263 has been a big grail watch of mine and at this price point, it just seems so reachable.

Thank you in advance.

[springer]

Originally Posted by avilhena

Thank you everybody for the input!! I decided not to continue with the purchase!


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I have to ask, what was up with the seller that he didn't divulge this "service" Daytona to you? Seems fairly important for a watch that is priced about double for what it is worth.

Also, if your search continues, be aware that when you see a Rolex Service Center receipt for a vintage Rolex, your red flags should go way up indicating that many of the original parts might be replaced with service parts - especially the dial/hands bezel or bezel insert.

[1watch]

Originally Posted by benz2op

Hi everyone,

I'm a new member here and I'm learning a lot from reading these posts. Sorry to bring back the thread a year later, however, I have also found myself in the same situation as avilhena. My local dealer is listing a similar piece with the post-2004 service dial (SWISS) for $62,000 USD (there is no service card like the owner's thread). From reading the post I understand that the value and soul of the watch is gone so it shouldn't be considered an investment piece, but if from a standpoint of a usable vintage timepiece, do you think this price is appropriate in the current market?

Please let me know as the 6263 has been a big grail watch of mine and at this price point, it just seems so reachable.

Thank you in advance.

I don’t know what year or exact reference since not mentioned. Either way, I would invest that kind of money elsewhere. You will have a hard time recouping if you ever desire to trade or sell.


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[benz2op]

Okay understood.

Alternatively, I am also looking at this 1977 sigma dial 6263 (52 series) - Watch only.

The overall condition of the watch seems good as it has been OH by Watchnian's craftsman. The Lume on the hand seems to be in worse condition than on the dial. The hour register is not in the best shape but overall it indicates that the watch is possibly in its original condition. However, there are some areas I want to ask for your expert opinion:

1. Is the Sigma dial still produced up until 1977? Based on my research, it is said that Sigma dials are only produced in the early 70's models.

2. Based on the conditions of the hour, minute, and subdial's hands, does this indicate a level of exposure to moisture leaking within the watch case?

3. For the watch's condition, do you find the price tag of $71,000 USD appropriate? Are sigma dials a better investment piece than the Big Red?

Thank you for your help!

[TuRo]

I have seen APRIOR ®️ Sigma Dials on quite a few 1977 pieces. The luxury marketing tool of APRIOR (Sigma footer) was registered in 1971 and started to show up on pieces in 1972, and was still about on pieces produced until at least '78.

I prefer a sigma to a big red personally - I like the way the HR markers reflect back light and the cleaner look over the blotchy Big Red print. I like the light blue/grey Daytona print of earlier pieces eg non-oyster 37mm.

Difficult to say on the photo ref question on moisture (though minute and HR hands lume quite oddly dark), but I'd have expected the subdials to have more more discolouration if so , The lower sub dial hand has some sort of discolouration or mildew too of course, so likely somethings gone on.

Polished a bit no doubt too.

These 6263/65s (BR and SIGMA) have been £60,000 for a loose watch for 5-6 yrs (they had been £40k until 2017 when they jumped £20k.... and the markets not really caught up with the jump, while 16520's have closed the gap, ......they'll go again no doubt !

It's a fallacy that they are rare though as made for nearly two decades and where discounted in UK 35% at time; so buy only one you really like, as paradoxically this is a piece that doesn't have massive price differences between say an average and a mint one (unlike say a 6538/5510 does which can massive difference) - so seeking a good one is great call.

[swish77]

Originally Posted by benz2op

Hi everyone,

I'm a new member here and I'm learning a lot from reading these posts. Sorry to bring back the thread a year later, however, I have also found myself in the same situation as avilhena. My local dealer is listing a similar piece with the post-2004 service dial (SWISS) for $62,000 USD (there is no service card like the owner's thread). From reading the post I understand that the value and soul of the watch is gone so it shouldn't be considered an investment piece, but if from a standpoint of a usable vintage timepiece, do you think this price is appropriate in the current market?

Please let me know as the 6263 has been a big grail watch of mine and at this price point, it just seems so reachable.

Thank you in advance.

Suggest you keep one thread about your Daytona search. What happened to the 6265 in the thread you started the other day?

[TuRo]

Originally Posted by swish77

Suggest you keep one thread about your Daytona search. What happened to the 6265 in the thread you started the other day?

Think two different fellas?... one Japan, one Brazil - I've given the other fella a friendly nudge mind ;-)