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dieseldragon · 31 July 2009, 05:09 AM

Hi all. I am looking to buy another watch, I am spending around 2500$. I have been trawling the net looking for the right deal.

I have always tried to make sure that my purchases have boxes and papers, but I am finding it hard to find something at the right price.

So the question is, does box and papers add value or does it just it easier to sell the item?

I am not looking to sell the watch, but I may want to in the future.

rajurama · 31 July 2009, 05:17 AM

Ofcourse its much easier to sell a watch with original papers and boxes. Take care of them m8! The warranty and the service history adds a lot of value to your watch makes its 100% legit and authentic.

jdc · 31 July 2009, 05:18 AM

lots of collectors insist on having the original box and papers and they do add a value to the package. Many others argue that you buy the seller, papers and boxes can be forged or be later additions.
IMO a recent Rolex service certificate would add more value for me as it would prove the recent authenticity of the watch and get some paperwork

Idle Swede · 31 July 2009, 05:19 AM

What value does box and papers add to a watch??
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In that price range, probably $50 - 100.

allanofcalifornia · 31 July 2009, 05:20 AM

It really depends on the individual. It's easier to sell and nice to have all the goodies but you are really buy a watch to wear!

Allan

dieseldragon · 31 July 2009, 05:22 AM

It amazes me how many watches are for sale with no box etc.. If I had spent that much on a watch I would be damned sure to keep hold of them.

I have seen a Turn-o-Graph for 2500, in excellent condition from a reputable source, but no box or papers - whats your thoughts?

allanofcalifornia · 31 July 2009, 05:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Idle Swede

What value does box and papers add to a watch??
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In that price range, probably $50 - 100.

Probably between $200 to $500!

Allan

jdc · 31 July 2009, 05:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dieseldragon

It amazes me how many watches are for sale with no box etc.. If I had spent that much on a watch I would be damned sure to keep hold of them.

I have seen a Turn-o-Graph for 2500, in excellent condition from a reputable source, but no box or papers - whats your thoughts?

its only a recent fad to keep box and papers, that's why with older watches they are harder to find all the time. If the price is right and you trust the seller go for it. You can always get it serviced by rolex and get a service certificate warranty to prove authenticity

Idle Swede · 31 July 2009, 05:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allanofcalifornia

Probably between $200 to $500!

Allan

Have you been sniffing something Allan?

allanofcalifornia · 31 July 2009, 05:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Idle Swede

Have you been sniffing something Allan?

Always!!

If he can buy a Rolex for $2,500 without box and papers, then I would guess that the watch with box and papers would cost at least $200 more.

Allan

Tools · 31 July 2009, 05:42 AM

You have to ask yourself what are the box and papers worth to you...

Hanging onto these bits is a very recent phenomenon and one I have trouble understanding....... That is why older vintage pieces with them are more valuable...there just aren't that many of them around, but today, there are so many around tht level of value will never be reached... That is also why there is such a market for "original papers and boxes" for everything on the net..whatever those are..

Now days, everybody saves the boxes for everything...toasters, dolls, tools, cameras....... and watches.... However, boxes and "papers" do not verify or authenticate anything, and if you are relying on that you will be burned.

If you go into a Authorized Dealer for a refurbished, authentic Rolex watch you will NOT get original papers or an original box..

If you are looking for something more than 10 years old...and for that price, you probably are; your chances of actually finding one with it's original packaging is pretty slim, and as Leo mentioned, sellers can only get 50 or a hundred bucks for them..

I say that it's not worth it unless you intend to have a perfect collection at some point.......... if it's authentic, keep your box and give me the watch for a hundred less..........

hennabav · 31 July 2009, 06:03 AM

Being more of a watch collector, the watch is definitely much desirable if it has the "complete" package. To me, it proves that the watch is authentic and is certaily more desirable if it has everything that it originally came with rather than one that is just the watch. This is especially true for vintage watches that rarely have the original box and paperwork that it came with since it probably has gone through a number different owners. Those documents are usually lost through the process. In addition, a vintage watch that is complete usually tells me the owner or owners probably cared a lot about the watch to keep all the original documents and took good care of it. But in the end, its person to person but in general it's definitely easier to sell the watch with its complete package and in most observed cases, you can demand a higher price as well.

Nods · 31 July 2009, 06:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dieseldragon

Hi all. I am looking to buy another watch, I am spending around 2500$. I have been trawling the net looking for the right deal.

I have always tried to make sure that my purchases have boxes and papers, but I am finding it hard to find something at the right price.

So the question is, does box and papers add value or does it just it easier to sell the item?

I am not looking to sell the watch, but I may want to in the future.

Does it add value or just make it easier to sell? Isn't that the same thing?

sakuraba · 31 July 2009, 12:25 PM

I really don't care too much about the original box and warranty document.

But I have to concede that it would be thoretically easier to sell it in the future if you have a full set. Since there are some that look at the watch alone (like me), others that want to collect boxes, papers, and booklets, it would stand to reason that your market in the future, if you decide to punt it, would be larger.

Idle Swede · 31 July 2009, 12:28 PM

I still say on a $2,500 watch it makes no difference whats so ever.

valentine · 31 July 2009, 12:40 PM

i prefer the full set....maybe Im just a perfectionist.

Bisquitlips · 31 July 2009, 01:16 PM

I'll put it this way.

I will not purchase a Rolex or any fine timepiece without the original package including tags, books, papers, boxes, and so on.

It's just my preference.

Rowlf · 31 July 2009, 01:33 PM

Being in a position of trying to sell without them - I wouldn't do it again in the future!

I bought my Rolex without box and papers making the assumption that I'd never want to sell it. Of course one month later I realized I wanted something that was a bit more water resistant, etc.

For a watch as valuable as a Rolex, anything that helps to authenticate it helps - significantly. So from my experience, I wouldn't purchase another Rolex without them again. Unless it's too good a deal to pass up, of course.

Cheers,

Ben

STEELINOX · 31 July 2009, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Idle Swede

I still say on a $2,500 watch it makes no difference whats so ever.

I could care less about a box or a cert for that matter, give me a 10x Loupe and about 5 minutes is ALLs I need...

allanofcalifornia · 31 July 2009, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEELINOX

I could care less about a box or a cert for that matter, give me a 10x Loupe and about 5 minutes is ALLs I need...

But most people don't have a loupe!!

Allan

bodybump · 31 July 2009, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allanofcalifornia

But most people don't have a loupe!!

Allan

and most people even with the loop doesnt know how to use and what to look for...

allanofcalifornia · 31 July 2009, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bodybump

and most people even with the loop doesnt know how to use and what to look for...

I just carry one around to look cool!!

Allan

bodybump · 31 July 2009, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allanofcalifornia

I just carry one around to look cool!!

Allan

i use it to read news papers...im kinda near sighted...

Tombstone · 31 July 2009, 02:33 PM

For me nothing just another item to store. If you are going to sell your watch in the future. I would say it is required.

allanofcalifornia · 31 July 2009, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bodybump

i use it to read news papers...im kinda near sighted...

You must attract quite a crowd!!

Allan

rescue7 · 31 July 2009, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allanofcalifornia

I just carry one around to look cool!!

Allan

Who needs a Loupe when you can use a cutout bottom from a Pepsi glass bottle.

allanofcalifornia · 31 July 2009, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rescue7

Who needs a Loupe when you can use a cutout bottom from a Pepsi glass bottle.

Please take pictures next time when you are looking through a Pepsi bottle at a store checking out a watch!! I would love to see it!!

Allan

Black Bay Dan · 31 July 2009, 04:21 PM

I am not sure keeping the box for your Rolex is necessarily a new phenomenon. I am 43 and never kept the boxes of anything I was given as a child, or indeed anything I have bought since (with a few notable exceptions). However when I was given my Air-King in 1978, I new it was something special and still have box today complete with the invoice from Watches Of Switzerland in Bond Street for the princely sum of £181!

Dan

escudoturbo · 31 July 2009, 04:40 PM

In the UK box / papers can easily add circa £400 to watch

SL%% · 31 July 2009, 04:43 PM

to the owner probably none but for future use like selling, it'll be a big plus. monetary wise, am not sure, authenticity wise, A LOT

31 July 2009, 05:09 AM	#1
dieseldragon "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: Ian Location: Spain Watch: Ω & ♛ Posts: 1,321	What value does box and papers add to a watch?? Hi all. I am looking to buy another watch, I am spending around 2500$. I have been trawling the net looking for the right deal. I have always tried to make sure that my purchases have boxes and papers, but I am finding it hard to find something at the right price. So the question is, does box and papers add value or does it just it easier to sell the item? I am not looking to sell the watch, but I may want to in the future.

31 July 2009, 05:42 AM	#11
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,514	You have to ask yourself what are the box and papers worth to you... Hanging onto these bits is a very recent phenomenon and one I have trouble understanding....... That is why older vintage pieces with them are more valuable...there just aren't that many of them around, but today, there are so many around tht level of value will never be reached... That is also why there is such a market for "original papers and boxes" for everything on the net..whatever those are.. Now days, everybody saves the boxes for everything...toasters, dolls, tools, cameras....... and watches.... However, boxes and "papers" do not verify or authenticate anything, and if you are relying on that you will be burned. If you go into a Authorized Dealer for a refurbished, authentic Rolex watch you will NOT get original papers or an original box.. If you are looking for something more than 10 years old...and for that price, you probably are; your chances of actually finding one with it's original packaging is pretty slim, and as Leo mentioned, sellers can only get 50 or a hundred bucks for them.. I say that it's not worth it unless you intend to have a perfect collection at some point.......... if it's authentic, keep your box and give me the watch for a hundred less.......... __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

31 July 2009, 01:16 PM	#17
Bisquitlips 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Richard Location: USA Watch: YM Deep Space Posts: 12,521	I'll put it this way. I will not purchase a Rolex or any fine timepiece without the original package including tags, books, papers, boxes, and so on. It's just my preference. __________________ Rolex Yacht-Master 40mm (SS-YG / Deep Space MOP) 16623 Breitling Aerospace Titanium / 18K with UTC. Omega Speedmaster 3510.50 Oris TT1 Pro Diver Regulator 43MM

31 July 2009, 02:33 PM	#24
Tombstone "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Real Name: Richard Location: LV, NV Watch: LV Sub and others Posts: 2,689	For me nothing just another item to store. If you are going to sell your watch in the future. I would say it is required. __________________ Always working...by choice

31 July 2009, 04:21 PM	#28
Black Bay Dan 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: Dan Location: Chichester Watch: Tudor Black Bay Posts: 1,600	I am not sure keeping the box for your Rolex is necessarily a new phenomenon. I am 43 and never kept the boxes of anything I was given as a child, or indeed anything I have bought since (with a few notable exceptions). However when I was given my Air-King in 1978, I new it was something special and still have box today complete with the invoice from Watches Of Switzerland in Bond Street for the princely sum of £181! Dan __________________ Tudor Heritage Black Bay 79220R (2015) Tudor Black Bay GMT 79830RB (2022) Tudor Black Bay Fifty-Eight 79030B (2023)

31 July 2009, 05:17 AM	#2
rajurama "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Real Name: Rick Location: Wakanda Watch: amacallit Posts: 2,090	Ofcourse its much easier to sell a watch with original papers and boxes. Take care of them m8! The warranty and the service history adds a lot of value to your watch makes its 100% legit and authentic.

31 July 2009, 05:18 AM	#3
jdc "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Martin Location: UK Posts: 7,023	lots of collectors insist on having the original box and papers and they do add a value to the package. Many others argue that you buy the seller, papers and boxes can be forged or be later additions. IMO a recent Rolex service certificate would add more value for me as it would prove the recent authenticity of the watch and get some paperwork

31 July 2009, 05:19 AM	#4
Idle Swede Suspended Join Date: Oct 2008 Real Name: Leo Location: Boca Raton Posts: 13,820	What value does box and papers add to a watch?? ------------------------------------ In that price range, probably $50 - 100.

31 July 2009, 05:20 AM	#5
allanofcalifornia "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Allan Location: California Posts: 3,210	It really depends on the individual. It's easier to sell and nice to have all the goodies but you are really buy a watch to wear! Allan

31 July 2009, 05:22 AM	#6
dieseldragon "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: Ian Location: Spain Watch: Ω & ♛ Posts: 1,321	It amazes me how many watches are for sale with no box etc.. If I had spent that much on a watch I would be damned sure to keep hold of them. I have seen a Turn-o-Graph for 2500, in excellent condition from a reputable source, but no box or papers - whats your thoughts?

31 July 2009, 06:03 AM	#12
hennabav Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Jon Location: New England Watch: --Rolex-- Posts: 2,391	Being more of a watch collector, the watch is definitely much desirable if it has the "complete" package. To me, it proves that the watch is authentic and is certaily more desirable if it has everything that it originally came with rather than one that is just the watch. This is especially true for vintage watches that rarely have the original box and paperwork that it came with since it probably has gone through a number different owners. Those documents are usually lost through the process. In addition, a vintage watch that is complete usually tells me the owner or owners probably cared a lot about the watch to keep all the original documents and took good care of it. But in the end, its person to person but in general it's definitely easier to sell the watch with its complete package and in most observed cases, you can demand a higher price as well.

31 July 2009, 12:25 PM	#14
sakuraba "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Real Name: Jib Location: SJ, California Watch: sun dial Posts: 8,189	I really don't care too much about the original box and warranty document. But I have to concede that it would be thoretically easier to sell it in the future if you have a full set. Since there are some that look at the watch alone (like me), others that want to collect boxes, papers, and booklets, it would stand to reason that your market in the future, if you decide to punt it, would be larger.

31 July 2009, 12:28 PM	#15
Idle Swede Suspended Join Date: Oct 2008 Real Name: Leo Location: Boca Raton Posts: 13,820	I still say on a $2,500 watch it makes no difference whats so ever.

31 July 2009, 12:40 PM	#16
valentine Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Justin Location: Baltimore, MD Watch: TT Diamond DJ Posts: 2,809	i prefer the full set....maybe Im just a perfectionist.

31 July 2009, 01:33 PM	#18
Rowlf Banned Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: USA Posts: 336	Being in a position of trying to sell without them - I wouldn't do it again in the future! I bought my Rolex without box and papers making the assumption that I'd never want to sell it. Of course one month later I realized I wanted something that was a bit more water resistant, etc. For a watch as valuable as a Rolex, anything that helps to authenticate it helps - significantly. So from my experience, I wouldn't purchase another Rolex without them again. Unless it's too good a deal to pass up, of course. Cheers, Ben

31 July 2009, 04:40 PM	#29
escudoturbo "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Baz Location: U.K Watch: Explorer II Posts: 364	In the UK box / papers can easily add circa £400 to watch

31 July 2009, 04:43 PM	#30
SL%% "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: GU Posts: 124	to the owner probably none but for future use like selling, it'll be a big plus. monetary wise, am not sure, authenticity wise, A LOT __________________ ______________ 116710LN GMT-IIC Tag-Heuer S/EL (Everyday Watch)

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