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Lol-x · 1 August 2009, 11:54 PM

O.K. guys, I like new looking dials.

There was for a while a Luminova replacement dial for the Rolex Explorer II 1655 that was marked below the 6 O'Clock mark "T Swiss < 25 T" so it gives the impression that the dial is tritium unless you were told by the seller it was luminova the photos would not indicate it was really tritium.

However, what if you purchased this watch thinking it is tritium, but it is really luminova.

Would you:

(a) proceed and just put it down to experience.

(b) proceed but if the buyer gives a bit of a discount, that is great.

(c) back out of the deal and spend $5K more for an as good condition model with original dial and hands and original papers?

idk01 · 2 August 2009, 12:09 AM

I think I know what your answer would be Steve, and it would be the same as mine. I would go for (c) back out of the deal and spend $5K more for an as good condition model with original dial and hands and original papers?

I have a feeling Pav would say the same, I think with option A and B there would be the niggle in the back of your mind reminding you that its not the original dial.

The next possibility would be to take option A and B, acquire an original dial making it exactly what you are after, just depends on availability, I can imagine they would be quite rare, then again TRF is at your fingertips and I'm sure sourcing the real McCoy dial would only be a matter of time

Dave.

onkyo · 2 August 2009, 12:32 AM

Having never met you in person Dave, you know my tastes very well. I am a perfectionist who will pay more for a well preserved piece of history. (my obvious answer is C in this situation).

Steve, a replaced luminova dial needs to be disclosed by the seller in the for sale ad. Most honest sellers would be very upfront about that. If it was not disclosed IMO that is reason enough to back out of the deal.

Lol-x · 2 August 2009, 12:40 AM

Thanks guys for the help. I still have trouble with this, but you guys have helped me a lot

idk01 · 2 August 2009, 12:47 AM

Steve, if you can source a 100% genuine dial I would go for it, as long as the watch is discounted the amount the replacement cost of the dial.

Pav would you know a ball park figure for the original dial?

Lol-x · 2 August 2009, 12:51 AM

I think those Tritium dials in the kind of zero patina condition that I like are very very difficult to find. Then the cost is US$2-3,000

onkyo · 2 August 2009, 01:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lol-x

I think those Tritium dials in the kind of zero patina condition that I like are very very difficult to find. Then the cost is US$2-3,000

Steve, how can I convince you that some patina is good???

Hmmmmm ....... maybe this will help.

Lol-x · 2 August 2009, 01:06 AM

I think that Pav you make a good point about the seller. He did disclose that the bracelet was incorrect, and showed a Rolex Invoice saying the watch had never been serviced. It was incumbent upon the seller to say the dial had been changed to luminova, especially when it was otherwise impossible to tell that it was luminova given it had the tritium notation markings on the dial marking.

Why me

Lol-x · 2 August 2009, 01:08 AM

You are rubbing salt into the wound with that photo Pav.

Hey, the seller is at Statin Island, so I might need you to go sort him out for me

onkyo · 2 August 2009, 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lol-x

You are rubbing salt into the wound with that photo Pav.

Hey, the seller is at Statin Island, so I might need you to go sort him out for me

I live 2 minutes from the Verrazano bridge.... the other side of which is Staten Island.

They just raised the toll on that bridge ...... now $11 one way (other way free).

Lol-x · 2 August 2009, 01:15 AM

O.K. I'll pay your toll fees

now get over there and get my $$$

onkyo · 2 August 2009, 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lol-x

O.K. I'll pay your toll fees

now get over there and get my $$$

Or can I get $11 discount on next year pledge membership.....

On a serious note.... I hope you did not pay him.

Lol-x · 2 August 2009, 01:24 AM

Shall we say, the money is on the way but I believe I can stop it before going off-shore.

onkyo · 2 August 2009, 01:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lol-x

Shall we say, the money is on the way but I believe I can stop it before going off-shore.

idk01 · 2 August 2009, 01:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onkyo

Steve, how can I convince you that some patina is good???

Hmmmmm ....... maybe this will help.

Now I'm going to have to clean off all the drewl!!!! Jaw drop factor 100%

onkyo · 2 August 2009, 01:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by idk01

Now I'm going to have to clean off all the drewl!!!! Jaw drop factor 100%

Thanks Dave..... I like it too.

Lol-x · 3 August 2009, 12:31 AM

I cancelled the deal with the agreement of the seller. Thanks guys for all the helpful advice

idk01 · 3 August 2009, 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lol-x

I cancelled the deal with the agreement of the seller. Thanks guys for all the helpful advice

Excellent news Steve, Better to be safe

Sounds like the seller is a good sport too

Now back to the quest of finding you the prefect EXPII 1655

onkyo · 3 August 2009, 02:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lol-x

I cancelled the deal with the agreement of the seller. Thanks guys for all the helpful advice

Great Steve.

And the hunt continues.....

1 August 2009, 11:54 PM	#1
Lol-x Facilitator Join Date: Nov 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Omnipresent Posts: 33,591	Dial marked Tritium but really Luminova O.K. guys, I like new looking dials. There was for a while a Luminova replacement dial for the Rolex Explorer II 1655 that was marked below the 6 O'Clock mark "T Swiss < 25 T" so it gives the impression that the dial is tritium unless you were told by the seller it was luminova the photos would not indicate it was really tritium. However, what if you purchased this watch thinking it is tritium, but it is really luminova. Would you: (a) proceed and just put it down to experience. (b) proceed but if the buyer gives a bit of a discount, that is great. (c) back out of the deal and spend $5K more for an as good condition model with original dial and hands and original papers? __________________ *Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.* ~Abraham Lincoln Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of a bike ride. ~John F. Kennedy ROLEXploitation - yeah I'm a victim

2 August 2009, 12:09 AM	#2
idk01 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Dave Location: Australia Watch: DJ16233TT Posts: 18,485	I think I know what your answer would be Steve, and it would be the same as mine. I would go for (c) back out of the deal and spend $5K more for an as good condition model with original dial and hands and original papers? I have a feeling Pav would say the same, I think with option A and B there would be the niggle in the back of your mind reminding you that its not the original dial. The next possibility would be to take option A and B, acquire an original dial making it exactly what you are after, just depends on availability, I can imagine they would be quite rare, then again TRF is at your fingertips and I'm sure sourcing the real McCoy dial would only be a matter of time Dave. __________________ *Apprentice to Terry Newton; Superstar and Fake Sleuth*

2 August 2009, 12:40 AM	#4
Lol-x Facilitator Join Date: Nov 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Omnipresent Posts: 33,591	Thanks guys for the help. I still have trouble with this, but you guys have helped me a lot __________________ *Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.* ~Abraham Lincoln Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of a bike ride. ~John F. Kennedy ROLEXploitation - yeah I'm a victim

2 August 2009, 12:47 AM	#5
idk01 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Dave Location: Australia Watch: DJ16233TT Posts: 18,485	Steve, if you can source a 100% genuine dial I would go for it, as long as the watch is discounted the amount the replacement cost of the dial. Pav would you know a ball park figure for the original dial? __________________ *Apprentice to Terry Newton; Superstar and Fake Sleuth*

2 August 2009, 12:51 AM	#6
Lol-x Facilitator Join Date: Nov 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Omnipresent Posts: 33,591	I think those Tritium dials in the kind of zero patina condition that I like are very very difficult to find. Then the cost is US$2-3,000 __________________ *Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.* ~Abraham Lincoln Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of a bike ride. ~John F. Kennedy ROLEXploitation - yeah I'm a victim

2 August 2009, 12:32 AM	#3
onkyo Banned Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Pav Location: Manhattan Posts: 11,495	Having never met you in person Dave, you know my tastes very well. I am a perfectionist who will pay more for a well preserved piece of history. (my obvious answer is C in this situation). Steve, a replaced luminova dial needs to be disclosed by the seller in the for sale ad. Most honest sellers would be very upfront about that. If it was not disclosed IMO that is reason enough to back out of the deal.

2 August 2009, 01:06 AM	#8
Lol-x Facilitator Join Date: Nov 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Omnipresent Posts: 33,591	I think that Pav you make a good point about the seller. He did disclose that the bracelet was incorrect, and showed a Rolex Invoice saying the watch had never been serviced. It was incumbent upon the seller to say the dial had been changed to luminova, especially when it was otherwise impossible to tell that it was luminova given it had the tritium notation markings on the dial marking. Why me __________________ *Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.* ~Abraham Lincoln Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of a bike ride. ~John F. Kennedy ROLEXploitation - yeah I'm a victim

2 August 2009, 01:08 AM	#9
Lol-x Facilitator Join Date: Nov 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Omnipresent Posts: 33,591	You are rubbing salt into the wound with that photo Pav. Hey, the seller is at Statin Island, so I might need you to go sort him out for me __________________ *Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.* ~Abraham Lincoln Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of a bike ride. ~John F. Kennedy ROLEXploitation - yeah I'm a victim

2 August 2009, 01:15 AM	#11
Lol-x Facilitator Join Date: Nov 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Omnipresent Posts: 33,591	O.K. I'll pay your toll fees now get over there and get my $$$ __________________ *Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.* ~Abraham Lincoln Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of a bike ride. ~John F. Kennedy ROLEXploitation - yeah I'm a victim

2 August 2009, 01:24 AM	#13
Lol-x Facilitator Join Date: Nov 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Omnipresent Posts: 33,591	Shall we say, the money is on the way but I believe I can stop it before going off-shore. __________________ *Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.* ~Abraham Lincoln Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of a bike ride. ~John F. Kennedy ROLEXploitation - yeah I'm a victim

3 August 2009, 12:31 AM	#17
Lol-x Facilitator Join Date: Nov 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Omnipresent Posts: 33,591	I cancelled the deal with the agreement of the seller. Thanks guys for all the helpful advice __________________ *Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.* ~Abraham Lincoln Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of a bike ride. ~John F. Kennedy ROLEXploitation - yeah I'm a victim

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