Black 16613 question >>>

[watchfreak2003]

I wonder if the black dial on the 16613 is exactly the same as the dial on the 16610 – of course except from the “gold” font
Same black color?

[JJ Irani]

Hi Jesper,

Good question, pal!!! Although in the book of Physics on the chapter of Light and Colours, BLACK has been described as a non-colour, meaning the total negation and absence of all colours, I believe we can still have different shades of black....some perhaps more attractive than the others.

I can't really tell which black is better...the one in the SS version or the one in the TT version.

So I just play it safe and have the SS version with black dial and would take the TT one with a BLUE dial!!

[aeroguy]

Isn't white the absense of all color and black is the combination of all colors?

[Otis]

Originally Posted by aeroguy

Isn't white the absense of all color and black is the combination of all colors?

Close, but you've got them the wrong way 'round!

White is the combination of all colours (just think of light in terms of this) and black is the absence of all light, thus the absence of all colour. It's been a while since I've had to know this, but I believe that there are different shades of black. In colour theory, when you add black to darken a colour you create a 'shade', but by adding white you create a 'tint'. Something like that anyway...

[astcell]

So then, black is not a color?

[Otis]

Originally Posted by astcell

So then, black is not a color?

Nope, neither is white.
Unusual, isn't it? Almost like the whole tomato/fruit thing.

[watchfreak2003]

Thanks for your lessons about colors

I assume the dials are the same black col.. (ups, sorry;) except from the gold font.

[mike]

Well, as their both gloss dials, I'm going to take a SWAG and say their the same.

[Otis]

Originally Posted by watchfreak2003

Thanks for your lessons about colors

I assume the dials are the same black col.. (ups, sorry;) except from the gold font.

Sorry for the slight hijack there!
Hell, I don't care if you call black a colour, I do...
BTW, stunning photos on your other thread, wow!

I wonder what the production process is for dials. If the measurements are the same across several models, do they make a standard 'base' dial, and then just add the respective markings to it? Or is each dial slightly different?

[watchfreak2003]

Originally Posted by Otis

Sorry for the slight hijack there!
Hell, I don't care if you call black a colour, I do...
BTW, stunning photos on your other thread, wow!

I wonder what the production process is for dials. If the measurements are the same across several models, do they make a standard 'base' dial, and then just add the respective markings to it? Or is each dial slightly different?

Thanks for your comment

I’m quite sure the dials on 16610 and 16613 are exactly same size and both made of the same material (brass). The dial size on SD, GMT etc are all different.
The question is if the black 16610 and 16613 are exactly the same? Maybe someone had both to make the comparison

[aeroguy]

"White is the combination of all colours (just think of light in terms of this) and black is the absence of all light, thus the absence of all colour. It's been a while since I've had to know this, but I believe that there are different shades of black. In colour theory, when you add black to darken a colour you create a 'shade', but by adding white you create a 'tint'. Something like that anyway..."

So in simple terms... if I take my green subby into a sealed room with no light then my subby is no longer green? If a tree falls in the woods an no one is around to hear it... does it make a sound?

On the other hand, if JJ were go grab his 64 pack of crayolas and use every color to color over the top of one aother the result would be black ;) no?

Let's take it up a notch... Do photons have mass?

[Otis]

Originally Posted by aeroguy

"White is the combination of all colours (just think of light in terms of this) and black is the absence of all light, thus the absence of all colour. It's been a while since I've had to know this, but I believe that there are different shades of black. In colour theory, when you add black to darken a colour you create a 'shade', but by adding white you create a 'tint'. Something like that anyway..."

So in simple terms... if I take my green subby into a sealed room with no light then my subby is no longer green? If a tree falls in the woods an no one is around to hear it... does it make a sound?

On the other hand, if JJ were go grab his 64 pack of crayolas and use every color to color over the top of one aother the result would be black ;) no?

Let's take it up a notch... Do photons have mass?

Ahh righto, I didn't really explain it that well, did I.
(probably because I don't really know, but I'll take a stab anyhow )
There are two differing views on colour principles; one has to do with light and one has to do with paint/dye/pigment etc etc (I think it's called subtractive?). Generally they teach colour with regards to the 'light' side of things, because this is how our eyes work...I think. Also, something to do with 'pure' colours in nature that cannot be (in theory) perfectly recreated.
It all boils down to some historical philosphical studies, which hurt my brain.
Hmmm... I can't explain it clearly, but.... the green colour on your sub is green because it has a green pigment and it appears green because of the way light works and reflects off it, and it's own level of brightness, and it's surroundings etc.
So, if you took it into a dark room with no light, it is still green, in terms of pigment, but it no longer looks green. Again, the philosophy business... if something doesn't look green, is it green?

OK, i'm really not an expert, I'm trying to shed some light on it (pardon the pun)! Plus, I find it all interesting! I may be wrong, so please tell me if I am!

Oh, what's a photon?

[aeroguy]

Otis, you explained it masterfuly ;)

It's just one of those things which are fun to debate since, depending on the contex, either position can be shown correct.

Like you were saying. It depends on whether you're talking about pigment or light. With respect to pigment black is the combination of all color and with light it's the absense of all color.

But what about this photon and mass thing?

[Otis]

Originally Posted by aeroguy

Otis, you explained it masterfuly ;)

It's just one of those things which are fun to debate since, depending on the contex, either position can be shown correct.

Like you were saying. It depends on whether you're talking about pigment or light. With respect to pigment black is the combination of all color and with light it's the absense of all color.

But what about this photon and mass thing?

Lucky I stayed awake during some of my uni lectures!

Photons and mass, well then, let me think. Ummm....
(damn...it had to be a physics question, the only subject I failed tests in!)

I'm going to stab wildly in the dark here.... does it have something to do with the speed they travel, and their energy? That's as far as I go...

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by astcell

So then, black is not a color?

BLACK never was a colour, Robert. It is, in fact, the complete and total NEGATION of colour!

White, on the other hand, is a combination of SEVEN colours - VIBGYOR - Violet, Indigo, Blue, Green, Yellow, Orange, Red. When white light is passed through a prism, it gets refracted into these seven colours.

This is the same principle on which the rainbow is formed. Every drop of water in the atmosphere acts like a tiny prism. When each ray of light passes through the drop of water, it gets refracted. Now try and imagine trillions of rays passing through trillions of droplets of water and each ray getting refracted in turn.

The result is one gorgeous rainbow. And please don't go looking for the pot of gold at the end of it. You might find a TT Blue Sub....certainly not a BLACK one!!

Originally Posted by Otis

Oh, what's a photon?

A photon is a quantum of electromagnetic radiation energy proportional to the frequency of radiation!!