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RogerF · 19 October 2006, 04:50 AM

This is a reason I choose not to venture out onto other boards much, with a few exeptions of course. Read a few threads elsewhere today and honestly felt sick after reading.

Why is it that ppl that claim to be Watch enthusiats feel the need to find something wrong with other ppl's choice of watches and bash them for it. I really hate it when ppl feel the need to put down other brands without a good reason and usually without experience.

Here are some examples I am pretty sure we have all heard:

Rolex VS Others. Rolex has history and great resale value compared to brand XYZ. Other brands are crap blah blah blah. Last I heard Rolex isnt the oldest company nor is it the only one with a history of participating in major historical events. Resale value? If you take the fact that other brands get a discount off of MSRP to begin with the resale value is not that bad. Example brand XYZ you get 30% off when new and can sell for about 60% of MSRP is not to far off from SS Rolexes being bought at MSRP and sold for about 80%. When you look at it like that you arent losing much on many watches out there.

Omega vs Rolex. Rolex is garbage because they are overpriced and everyone who has a Rolex is an a$$ blah blah. Ok so what about the people who own both. Rolex owners should smarten up and stop wasting their money (yes I was told this on numerous occasions on another board when I posted a pic of my SMP and SD together)

Panerai Vs others. Stop wearing girls watches. I dont want to wear XYZ brand because its too flashy (and a 44mm watch on a 5.5 inch wrist isnt?

)

I think you guys get my point? I really dont get all the hate, I can find something wrong with almost every brand but I can also find something good about every brand. Example, I love Rolexes but Panerai makes great looking 40mm (I got girly wrists for a fat guy) with a AWESOME BRACELET!!!!! I hate to admit it but the Railmaster looks better than the Exp1 imo even though I love the Exp1.

Its like everywhere I look there are always haters that seem to ruin it for everyone. I am glad we have this place to hang out hats where we welcome all watches.

Kudos to everyone here on TRF.

You guys impress me with your love for all things.

haakon59 · 19 October 2006, 05:20 AM

I agree you read a lot of rants like the ones you listed above on watch sites. In fact, on one site recently, a gentleman who posts regularly on the site had a bad experience with warranty repair of a new dive watch he purchased. So when people asked everyone for their opinions and experiences with the brand, he would give his take and tell people he sold his watches from them. Many people at the same time posted having a positive opinion and experience with that same brand. Sounds like real life, right? After all, no company makes perfect products all the time and sometimes they drop the ball on service as well. Anyway, even though this guy just reported his experience like all the others, this particular brand had him banned from the forum to prevent him from continuing to respond to questions about the brand.

There are many who hold unreasoned opinions based on incomplete experiences and a lack of real appreciation for the art of watchmaking. We are living during a time when there are a lot of really great watch companies making innovative mechanical watches. So there are a lot of new watches out there right now for us to be happy about.

Rolex and Omega are both high selling mechanical watch brands and both have an excellent record of making fine watches. Yet when people decide to pick sides, the truth that both are great brands gets lost.

I think that we should help each other by posting the truth about the watches we own, whether you are having a great experience or a bad one. It seems to me we all learn when someone alerts us to an apparently faulty movement, etc. If the manufacturer is smart, they realize it helps them also to learn as fast as possible that something they are producing is not quite right. But what I think all of us should keep in mind is a sense of emotional balance, honesty, and courtesy towards all. Just because one person thinks Omega is better than Rolex or vice versa doesn't mean everyone feels the same way. Your opinions about a brand can also be told in a polite manner, even if you have to say that a particular watch isn't working out for you. Good topic.

Goodwatch · 19 October 2006, 05:45 AM

Not only on watch forums of course but a good point. I’m sure this whole (predominantly male) world of choices must be one big play ground for psychologists. The watches we crave are usually, but not always, priced above average and the purchase itself represents a big step and makes a statement. It’s YOUR choice. I still remember the infamous Walt Odets article about the venerable Explorer. Wow, that rippled the pond to put it mildly. The Explorer owners and many in the Rolex community felt personally attacked and for a short period he was the most hated man on earth. I’ve read his article over and over and tried to look upon it as objective as possible. The problem with reviews is that they are mostly a still picture, a snap shot. Scientifically they aren’t worth much but they carry a heavy load because of the message. I’d rather have him test 10 Explorers than that one.

To get back to the choice: no one likes his choice being criticized because with that, you are criticized as well. And many gain strength by putting someone else (or his choice) down. You would think that grown men who can afford $4000+ watches were beyond that kind of behavior but they are not. And yes, the internet creates a sense of anonymity. I’m sure if those men would meet face to face in the right surrounding it would be different.

I hope that I myself have reached a point in life where I have left all of this behind me. To have found mental balance and inner strength so that I don’t need all of this anymore. Still a long way to go but now I try to concentrate on other, more important things. But it’s hard and especially in my line of work I’m tested each and everyday.

RogerF · 19 October 2006, 06:32 AM

The fact that this thread has been taken so seriously and no one has screamed bloody murder about the examples I made, makes this place about as perfect as it can be in cyberspace.

Goodwatch · 19 October 2006, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by RogerF

The fact that this thread has been taken so seriously and no one has screamed bloody murder about the examples I made, makes this place about as perfect as it can be in cyberspace.

Ahaaa, Herr Doctor, zo this whazz a test

RogerF · 19 October 2006, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Goodwatch

Ahaaa, Herr Doctor, zo this whazz a test

of course not, just funny how we are just another watch forum....yet completely different.

Had I posted this on another board I bet you it would not have been taken seriously and I would surely have been bashed by now.

Goodwatch · 19 October 2006, 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RogerF

of course not, just funny how we are just another watch forum....yet completely different.

Had I posted this on another board I bet you it would not have been taken seriously and I would surely have been bashed by now.

Well my friend, I think TRF is just the name of our local pub! A mere watch forum it is not. We can discuss just about anything, our beloved watches are just the common denominator. Yes Roger, TRF is special. A big bunch of fitting miss-fits.

P.S. Do you wanna be bashed?

Prince · 19 October 2006, 07:07 AM

Excellent points, Roger. I have at least four different brands of watches that I wear on a regular basis, and like them all. Yes, my PERSONAL favorites are my three Rollies, but I believe tolerance for all brands is the way to go. One should wear what one wants, and the opinions of others are just that - opinions.

Launch Mini · 19 October 2006, 07:16 AM

I think partially some of these turkeys do it just to get a response.

We have had the odd one around here, show up, try to ruffle some feathers & then slink away.

BTW, this is a great bar to hang around in. So far my "bar tab" is very low. It is the other addictions that are getting up there.

BUT, we all enjoy the pictures, the stories etc etc, so no harm done yet

Goodwatch · 19 October 2006, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Prince

Excellent points, Roger. I have at least four different brands of watches that I wear on a regular basis, and like them all. Yes, my PERSONAL favorites are my three Rollies, but I believe tolerance for all brands is the way to go. One should wear what one wants, and the opinions of others are just that - opinions.

Whaaaaat? You have other watches besides Rolex?

You bloody *&$#@*, with your %$#@!*, go and *&%$@!

C.J. · 19 October 2006, 07:19 AM

I think a lot of people who visit watch forums aren't true WIS's rather, they're specific brand enthusiasts. Thus the blind devotion and aggressively defending ONE brand and refusing to find the good points of others.

Prince · 19 October 2006, 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goodwatch

Whaaaaat? You have other watches besides Rolex?

You bloody *&$#@*, with your %$#@!*, go and *&%$@!

Well, you can just kiss my %$#, you *&%$@!. Go *&$# yourself and the horse you rode in on!

RogerF · 19 October 2006, 08:40 AM

Posting that pic without the others would starting !@#

You cant have one without the other(s)

Earl · 19 October 2006, 09:18 AM

Minny mouse wants to know can Micky come out to play or does he have to go home now?

Earl · 19 October 2006, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Earl

Minny mouse wants to know can Micky come out to play or does he have to go home now?

crap wrong forum!

This thread is the core of why we do get along and so well at that!

mailman · 19 October 2006, 11:50 AM

Roger, you just summed up TRF perfectly.

That's why we're different.

mailman · 19 October 2006, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Earl

Minny mouse wants to know can Micky come out to play or does he have to go home now?

I thought she split town because the folks at Disney heard she was a little crazy. Matter of fact, she was F****N Goofy

Otis · 19 October 2006, 04:20 PM

Well put Roger, very well put.

If someone loves watches it shouldn't matter whether they have 50 rolex or 1 swatch. Communities shouldn't be about ownership, they are about enjoying a collective interest. That's why I think think place is great. There's plenty of member who don't even have a rolex (ahem....) and yet nothing derogatory is ever said about them.

While everybody loves a good boost to the ego, I don't agree with those who practice 'oneupmanship'.

I also agree with Frans.. you would think that successful, educated people are above this sort of behaviour. So, let me say this.... there is more than one way of measuring success....

That's why this place is great. TRF is more than just a forum, it's a community.

(oh god....advertising jargon again... why can't I stop!)

JJ Irani · 19 October 2006, 04:29 PM

Good post, Roger. Yes, I love Rolex the MOST in the whole world, but I do respect, admire and appreciate the marvels of other brands out there.

For me, it will always be Rolex first and last, but I can drool over other brands too!!

Cheers - JJ

Rockrolex · 19 October 2006, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Earl

Minny mouse wants to know can Micky come out to play or does he have to go home now?

HIJACK START!!

Earl · 20 October 2006, 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockrolex

HIJACK START!!

:op

JJ Irani · 20 October 2006, 03:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mailman

I thought she split town because the folks at Disney heard she was a little crazy. Matter of fact, she was F****N Goofy

dman · 20 October 2006, 12:14 PM

Good post Roger.

I was telling Craig last week on the phone that I don't consider my a WIS anymore, a fan for sure, but not worried about the movement etc...

I am happier being a Paneristi and TRFite than anything else.

Like so many guys say on the Pannie boards, the watches bring us, the people keep us coming back.

JJ Irani · 20 October 2006, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dman

Good post Roger.

I was telling Craig last week on the phone that I don't consider my a WIS anymore, a fan for sure, but not worried about the movement etc...

I am happier being a Paneristi and TRFite than anything else.

Like so many guys say on the Pannie boards, the watches bring us, the people keep us coming back.

Well said, Daren....where would we be without each other and....err, Rolex!!

dman · 20 October 2006, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Well said, Daren....where would we be without each other and....err, Rolex!!

Without Rolex? Let me think? It has been about 7 months and I seem to be surviving. I did have a hankering for an LV, something about that watch does it for me. But like the flu, it passed. I seriously think I will pick up one of those in the not too distant future though.

JJ Irani · 20 October 2006, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dman

Without Rolex? Let me think? It has been about 7 months and I seem to be surviving. I did have a hankering for an LV, something about that watch does it for me. But like the flu, it passed. I seriously think I will pick up one of those in the not too distant future though.

Let's see now....Daren + Rolex = A very happy JJ!!

Here ya go, pal...a little more temptation coming your way!!

dman · 20 October 2006, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Let's see now....Daren + Rolex = A very happy JJ!!

Don't hold your breath, I am working on a 40mm PAM for Andie that she really wants in addition to the three I have now. So another watch purchase for me barring a flip won't be until next spring. Between now and then the LV could be out and replaced with the Memovox again, I love that watch.

20 October 2006, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dman

Don't hold your breath, I am working on a 40mm PAM for Andie that she really wants in addition to the three I have now. So another watch purchase for me barring a flip won't be until next spring. Between now and then the LV could be out and replaced with the Memovox again, I love that watch.

You have to buy the Memovox so that when you flip it I can buy it!

21 October 2006, 02:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avalon

You have to buy the Memovox so that when you flip it I can buy it!

It's too big for you... besides Daren will give it to me as a Christmas present.

RogerF · 21 October 2006, 02:56 AM

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm memmmmovox The MCs have been catching my eye a lot latey.......

19 October 2006, 04:50 AM	#1
RogerF "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Duh! Location: Toronto Canada Watch: a gonna do? Posts: 2,573	What is it with ppl and their hate RANT This is a reason I choose not to venture out onto other boards much, with a few exeptions of course. Read a few threads elsewhere today and honestly felt sick after reading. Why is it that ppl that claim to be Watch enthusiats feel the need to find something wrong with other ppl's choice of watches and bash them for it. I really hate it when ppl feel the need to put down other brands without a good reason and usually without experience. Here are some examples I am pretty sure we have all heard: Rolex VS Others. Rolex has history and great resale value compared to brand XYZ. Other brands are crap blah blah blah. Last I heard Rolex isnt the oldest company nor is it the only one with a history of participating in major historical events. Resale value? If you take the fact that other brands get a discount off of MSRP to begin with the resale value is not that bad. Example brand XYZ you get 30% off when new and can sell for about 60% of MSRP is not to far off from SS Rolexes being bought at MSRP and sold for about 80%. When you look at it like that you arent losing much on many watches out there. Omega vs Rolex. Rolex is garbage because they are overpriced and everyone who has a Rolex is an a$$ blah blah. Ok so what about the people who own both. Rolex owners should smarten up and stop wasting their money (yes I was told this on numerous occasions on another board when I posted a pic of my SMP and SD together) Panerai Vs others. Stop wearing girls watches. I dont want to wear XYZ brand because its too flashy (and a 44mm watch on a 5.5 inch wrist isnt? ) I think you guys get my point? I really dont get all the hate, I can find something wrong with almost every brand but I can also find something good about every brand. Example, I love Rolexes but Panerai makes great looking 40mm (I got girly wrists for a fat guy) with a AWESOME BRACELET!!!!! I hate to admit it but the Railmaster looks better than the Exp1 imo even though I love the Exp1. Its like everywhere I look there are always haters that seem to ruin it for everyone. I am glad we have this place to hang out hats where we welcome all watches. Kudos to everyone here on TRF. You guys impress me with your love for all things.

19 October 2006, 05:45 AM	#3
Goodwatch "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Real Name: Frans ® Location: Rotterdam Watch: the sunrise... Posts: 10,230	Not only on watch forums of course but a good point. I’m sure this whole (predominantly male) world of choices must be one big play ground for psychologists. The watches we crave are usually, but not always, priced above average and the purchase itself represents a big step and makes a statement. It’s YOUR choice. I still remember the infamous Walt Odets article about the venerable Explorer. Wow, that rippled the pond to put it mildly. The Explorer owners and many in the Rolex community felt personally attacked and for a short period he was the most hated man on earth. I’ve read his article over and over and tried to look upon it as objective as possible. The problem with reviews is that they are mostly a still picture, a snap shot. Scientifically they aren’t worth much but they carry a heavy load because of the message. I’d rather have him test 10 Explorers than that one. To get back to the choice: no one likes his choice being criticized because with that, you are criticized as well. And many gain strength by putting someone else (or his choice) down. You would think that grown men who can afford $4000+ watches were beyond that kind of behavior but they are not. And yes, the internet creates a sense of anonymity. I’m sure if those men would meet face to face in the right surrounding it would be different. I hope that I myself have reached a point in life where I have left all of this behind me. To have found mental balance and inner strength so that I don’t need all of this anymore. Still a long way to go but now I try to concentrate on other, more important things. But it’s hard and especially in my line of work I’m tested each and everyday. __________________ Member# 127

19 October 2006, 07:07 AM	#8
Prince "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Real Name: Allan Location: St. Augustine, FL Watch: Daytona/Sub/GMT/DJ Posts: 20,323	Excellent points, Roger. I have at least four different brands of watches that I wear on a regular basis, and like them all. Yes, my PERSONAL favorites are my three Rollies, but I believe tolerance for all brands is the way to go. One should wear what one wants, and the opinions of others are just that - opinions. __________________ Member: Rolex Keeper's Society "You see, you can't please everyone, so you got to please yourself." - Rick Nelson

19 October 2006, 07:16 AM	#9
Launch Mini "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Real Name: John Location: Canada, eh Watch: can I? Posts: 6,240	I think partially some of these turkeys do it just to get a response. We have had the odd one around here, show up, try to ruffle some feathers & then slink away. BTW, this is a great bar to hang around in. So far my "bar tab" is very low. It is the other addictions that are getting up there. BUT, we all enjoy the pictures, the stories etc etc, so no harm done yet __________________ Something witty to go here. Member # 293

19 October 2006, 07:19 AM	#11
C.J. "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: * Posts: 10,196	I think a lot of people who visit watch forums aren't true WIS's rather, they're specific brand enthusiasts. Thus the blind devotion and aggressively defending ONE brand and refusing to find the good points of others. __________________ Me? I'm still looking for Kokomo. I just hope that damn golfer isn't there

19 October 2006, 05:20 AM	#2
haakon59 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,571	I agree you read a lot of rants like the ones you listed above on watch sites. In fact, on one site recently, a gentleman who posts regularly on the site had a bad experience with warranty repair of a new dive watch he purchased. So when people asked everyone for their opinions and experiences with the brand, he would give his take and tell people he sold his watches from them. Many people at the same time posted having a positive opinion and experience with that same brand. Sounds like real life, right? After all, no company makes perfect products all the time and sometimes they drop the ball on service as well. Anyway, even though this guy just reported his experience like all the others, this particular brand had him banned from the forum to prevent him from continuing to respond to questions about the brand. There are many who hold unreasoned opinions based on incomplete experiences and a lack of real appreciation for the art of watchmaking. We are living during a time when there are a lot of really great watch companies making innovative mechanical watches. So there are a lot of new watches out there right now for us to be happy about. Rolex and Omega are both high selling mechanical watch brands and both have an excellent record of making fine watches. Yet when people decide to pick sides, the truth that both are great brands gets lost. I think that we should help each other by posting the truth about the watches we own, whether you are having a great experience or a bad one. It seems to me we all learn when someone alerts us to an apparently faulty movement, etc. If the manufacturer is smart, they realize it helps them also to learn as fast as possible that something they are producing is not quite right. But what I think all of us should keep in mind is a sense of emotional balance, honesty, and courtesy towards all. Just because one person thinks Omega is better than Rolex or vice versa doesn't mean everyone feels the same way. Your opinions about a brand can also be told in a polite manner, even if you have to say that a particular watch isn't working out for you. Good topic.

19 October 2006, 06:32 AM	#4
RogerF "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Duh! Location: Toronto Canada Watch: a gonna do? Posts: 2,573	The fact that this thread has been taken so seriously and no one has screamed bloody murder about the examples I made, makes this place about as perfect as it can be in cyberspace.

19 October 2006, 08:40 AM	#13
RogerF "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Duh! Location: Toronto Canada Watch: a gonna do? Posts: 2,573	Posting that pic without the others would starting !@# You cant have one without the other(s)

19 October 2006, 09:18 AM	#14
Earl "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Who Me? Location: Northern Virginia Watch: out Posts: 4,616	Minny mouse wants to know can Micky come out to play or does he have to go home now?

19 October 2006, 11:50 AM	#16
mailman TRF Moderator & SubLV41 2024 Patron Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: . Watch: 126610LN Posts: 35,510	Roger, you just summed up TRF perfectly. That's why we're different. __________________ JJ

19 October 2006, 04:20 PM	#18
Otis "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2006 Real Name: Urs Location: QLD AU Watch: Omega x 2 Posts: 2,046	Well put Roger, very well put. If someone loves watches it shouldn't matter whether they have 50 rolex or 1 swatch. Communities shouldn't be about ownership, they are about enjoying a collective interest. That's why I think think place is great. There's plenty of member who don't even have a rolex (ahem....) and yet nothing derogatory is ever said about them. While everybody loves a good boost to the ego, I don't agree with those who practice 'oneupmanship'. I also agree with Frans.. you would think that successful, educated people are above this sort of behaviour. So, let me say this.... there is more than one way of measuring success.... That's why this place is great. TRF is more than just a forum, it's a community. (oh god....advertising jargon again... why can't I stop!) __________________ Rock the Casbah!

19 October 2006, 04:29 PM	#19
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,319	Good post, Roger. Yes, I love Rolex the MOST in the whole world, but I do respect, admire and appreciate the marvels of other brands out there. For me, it will always be Rolex first and last, but I can drool over other brands too!! Cheers - JJ __________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!!

20 October 2006, 12:14 PM	#23
dman Lifetime TRF Patron Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Daren Location: Austin Watch: the road Posts: 13,585	Good post Roger. I was telling Craig last week on the phone that I don't consider my a WIS anymore, a fan for sure, but not worried about the movement etc... I am happier being a Paneristi and TRFite than anything else. Like so many guys say on the Pannie boards, the watches bring us, the people keep us coming back. __________________ You either get it or you don't, if you have to ask, YOU DON'T!! I really hope that midget cop doesn't find me in Kokomo.

21 October 2006, 02:56 AM	#30
RogerF "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Duh! Location: Toronto Canada Watch: a gonna do? Posts: 2,573	mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm memmmmovox The MCs have been catching my eye a lot latey.......

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