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thefork · 15 September 2009, 12:53 AM

How will the resale value of current newer subs be affected by the new ceramic sub? Also, is it confirmed that the new bracelet on the ceramic SS sub will have the shiny middle piece like the GMT?

I want a SS sub with date, but I cannot decide whether to wait or not for the Ceramic as i am sure some of you can tell from my posts about the ceramic sub. Anyone that recently bought a SS sub, how did you decide to buy now instead of waiting? Another question I have is whether the bracelet will change.

Thank you to all in advance for responses.

greekbum · 15 September 2009, 01:10 AM

It wont effect them much from current levels.They will not discount the new ones and the current ones can be had for around 30% off msrp today if you look.

TempoKing · 15 September 2009, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by greekbum

It wont effect them much from current levels.They will not discount the new ones and the current ones can be had for around 30% off msrp today if you look.

I agree on one part about the current level..

But I doubt that anyone will discount a BNIB Sub date 30% off retail
after production ends (if the sea-dweller is one watch to learn from)
I wish I had a few V serials brand new in box I sold for 5200
I would have sold them today for $6500

STEELINOX · 15 September 2009, 01:14 AM

no effect, now or later. Yes, my crystal ball works in both realms !
The GMT MASTER II either in Pre-C or C form still are comparably priced/discounted (whether SS or 2T) on both new and secondary markets; yes a Pre-C can still be found at ADs !

padi56 · 15 September 2009, 01:18 AM

Would doubt if you will see any ceramic Subs in S.Steel if they do produce them till the later part of 2010.And would expect quite a price hike if they do, for in reality the same watch as current sub with just a few cosmetic changes.

thefork · 15 September 2009, 01:24 AM

If you knew you wanted a SS sub date, would you wait or get one now? I am leaning towards getting one now b/c if I have to wait until late 2010 with the ceramic and normal increases, the watch could cost up to 50% more than what I can get one for today.

sakuraba · 15 September 2009, 01:37 AM

You can get a sub now, and then trade it in for the ceramic sub when it comes out.

Bebot · 15 September 2009, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by sakuraba

You can get a sub now, and then trade it in for the ceramic sub when it comes out.

improviz · 15 September 2009, 12:33 PM

The bezel on the new one is very, very smooth. I tried on one of the new 116613s today (black face), and while the bezel and clasp are nice, I did not like the white lettering on the dial (prefer the gold lettering of the 16613), and I'm in agreement that the new supercase doesn't resolve as nicely into the band as the case on the previous model, although it certainly doesn't destroy the lines of the watch...but to me, there's nothing there to justify an extra grand, particularly once you start looking at comparative discounts.

Tools · 15 September 2009, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by thefork

If you knew you wanted a SS sub date, would you wait or get one now? I am leaning towards getting one now b/c if I have to wait until late 2010 with the ceramic and normal increases, the watch could cost up to 50% more than what I can get one for today.

The decision process isn't much different than buying a new car when you know the body style will change..

The ceramic Sub will not be the same watch... It will have:
.. the block case...
. It will have the ceramic bezel insert and ball bearing mounted 120 click bezel.
. Solid link bracelet
. Advanced Glidelock clasp
. Maxi dial with Chromalight lume
. Parachrom equipped 3135

All this will come with an increase in weight and bulk, even though the actual case measurement size (40mm) will remain the same..

If these changes are going to be important to you, and knowing that they will come with a jump in price, then you should wait..

Personally, the current model has proven it's durability and staying power for over 50 years...... I like what they are offering now... I won't be in line for a new one.........

thefork · 15 September 2009, 01:45 AM

Will the new SS Sub have the polished middle piece in the bracelet like the GMT IIc?

Tools · 15 September 2009, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by thefork

Will the new SS Sub have the polished middle piece in the bracelet like the GMT IIc?

Nobody knows..

But I doubt it.. The Sub will have more in common with the DSSD than it will have with the GMT IIc, and the GMT is a poor comparison.

I believe that it will have a brushed bracelet... but even if it doesn't, it only takes about 2 minutes to brush it or have it brushed..

Timber Loftis · 15 September 2009, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Tools

. It will have the ceramic bezel insert and ball bearing mounted 120 click bezel.

24 click ball bearing mounted bezel.

padi56 · 15 September 2009, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Timber Loftis

24 click ball bearing mounted bezel.

The 24 click is on the GMT watches on the Sub it will be 60 or 120 otherwise it would not be much good as a time lapse bezel.

Tools · 15 September 2009, 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Timber Loftis

24 click ball bearing mounted bezel.

As Padi mentioned, the GMT is 24 clicks.. It has a race that the bezel is mounted in with 24 detentes around the perimeter that a roller bearing "clicks" into for each hour.. It turns either direction..

The Sub has 4 spring mounted ball bearings and a unidirectional tooth at the corners of the case.. This unidirectional click tooth sticks up into teeth under the bezel and ratchet in only one direction.. It is 120 click..

SDDS · 15 September 2009, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Tools

The decision process isn't much different than buying a new car when you know the body style will change..

The ceramic Sub will not be the same watch... It will have:
.. the block case...
. It will have the ceramic bezel insert and ball bearing mounted 120 click bezel.
. Solid link bracelet
. Advanced Glidelock clasp
. Maxi dial with Chromalight lume
. Parachrom equipped 3135

All this will come with an increase in weight and bulk, even though the actual case measurement size (40mm) will remain the same..

If these changes are going to be important to you, and knowing that they will come with a jump in price, then you should wait..

Personally, the current model has proven it's durability and staying power for over 50 years...... I like what they are offering now... I won't be in line for a new one.........

totally agree

DRMOVIE1 · 15 September 2009, 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tools

The decision process isn't much different than buying a new car when you know the body style will change..

The ceramic Sub will not be the same watch... It will have:
.. the block case...
. It will have the ceramic bezel insert and ball bearing mounted 120 click bezel.
. Solid link bracelet
. Advanced Glidelock clasp
. Maxi dial with Chromalight lume
. Parachrom equipped 3135

won't be in line for a new one.........

does the GMTiic have a 3186 movement? I think i read that somewhere? If so, wouldnt the sub have that movement?

Tools · 15 September 2009, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by DRMOVIE1

does the GMTiic have a 3186 movement? I think i read that somewhere? If so, wouldnt the sub have that movement?

No.......... the 3186 movement is a unique movement to the GMT and EXP II with the extra 24 hr hand and fully adjustable hour hand...

The Sub will have the standard 3135 movement w/parachrom hairspring most likely.

JoeI · 15 September 2009, 07:53 AM

I have seen a WG ceramic sub today, and it was the most amazing watch i have ever seen, unbelievably heavy. While i have never owned a sub before, i am waiting for this one to come out in SS and I'm getting one. Absolutely love the watch.

rmcarlton · 15 September 2009, 08:13 AM

Oops! Sorry for the thread hijack, I probably should have asked this by PM. Please forgive me.

15 September 2009, 12:53 AM	#1
thefork "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: St. Louis, MO Watch: GMT IIc Posts: 50	How will the ceramic sub affect the value of aluminum subs? How will the resale value of current newer subs be affected by the new ceramic sub? Also, is it confirmed that the new bracelet on the ceramic SS sub will have the shiny middle piece like the GMT? I want a SS sub with date, but I cannot decide whether to wait or not for the Ceramic as i am sure some of you can tell from my posts about the ceramic sub. Anyone that recently bought a SS sub, how did you decide to buy now instead of waiting? Another question I have is whether the bracelet will change. Thank you to all in advance for responses.

15 September 2009, 01:10 AM	#2
greekbum "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Nikos Location: Florida Watch: Rolex GMT 16750 Posts: 8,418	It wont effect them much from current levels.They will not discount the new ones and the current ones can be had for around 30% off msrp today if you look. __________________ Follow Me On Instagram @nickgogas Original Owner ROLEX 16750 GMT Daily Wearer For Over 13,000 Days And Counting

15 September 2009, 01:18 AM	#5
padi56 "TRF" Life Patron Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Peter Location: Llanfairpwllgwyng Watch: ing you. Posts: 53,060	Would doubt if you will see any ceramic Subs in S.Steel if they do produce them till the later part of 2010.And would expect quite a price hike if they do, for in reality the same watch as current sub with just a few cosmetic changes. __________________ ICom Pro3 All posts are my own opinion and my opinion only. "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell just when the hands will stop. Now is the only time you actually own the time, Place no faith in time, for the clock may soon be still for ever." Good Judgement comes from experience,experience comes from Bad Judgement,.Buy quality, cry once; buy cheap, cry again and again. www.mc0yad.club Second in command CEO and left handed watch winder

15 September 2009, 12:33 PM	#9
improviz "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Tejas Watch: your step Posts: 2,806	The bezel on the new one is very, very smooth. I tried on one of the new 116613s today (black face), and while the bezel and clasp are nice, I did not like the white lettering on the dial (prefer the gold lettering of the 16613), and I'm in agreement that the new supercase doesn't resolve as nicely into the band as the case on the previous model, although it certainly doesn't destroy the lines of the watch...but to me, there's nothing there to justify an extra grand, particularly once you start looking at comparative discounts. __________________ 116520 white; 16613 black; 116710; 16570 polar; 16600. AP 15400; 15703. Blancpain Fifty Fathoms. Glashutte Sport Evo GMT. Omega Planet Ocean 2907.50.91; Planet Ocean Liquidmetal LE 222.30.42.20.01.001; Seamaster 2255.80.00. Breitling Crosswind, white. Panerai PAM 005. VC Overseas Chrono, black.

15 September 2009, 07:53 AM	#19
JoeI "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Real Name: Joe Location: New York Watch: Panerai Posts: 146	I have seen a WG ceramic sub today, and it was the most amazing watch i have ever seen, unbelievably heavy. While i have never owned a sub before, i am waiting for this one to come out in SS and I'm getting one. Absolutely love the watch. __________________ Panerai 1312 Panerai 1320

15 September 2009, 01:14 AM	#4
STEELINOX 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Real Name: Sink-O! Location: a praire in AZ Watch: ROLEX-less atm... Posts: 14,021	no effect, now or later. Yes, my crystal ball works in both realms ! The GMT MASTER II either in Pre-C or C form still are comparably priced/discounted (whether SS or 2T) on both new and secondary markets; yes a Pre-C can still be found at ADs !

15 September 2009, 01:24 AM	#6
thefork "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: St. Louis, MO Watch: GMT IIc Posts: 50	If you knew you wanted a SS sub date, would you wait or get one now? I am leaning towards getting one now b/c if I have to wait until late 2010 with the ceramic and normal increases, the watch could cost up to 50% more than what I can get one for today.

15 September 2009, 01:37 AM	#7
sakuraba "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Real Name: Jib Location: SJ, California Watch: sun dial Posts: 8,189	You can get a sub now, and then trade it in for the ceramic sub when it comes out.

15 September 2009, 01:45 AM	#11
thefork "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: St. Louis, MO Watch: GMT IIc Posts: 50	Will the new SS Sub have the polished middle piece in the bracelet like the GMT IIc?

15 September 2009, 08:13 AM	#20
rmcarlton "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Monty Location: Georgia Watch: Sub LV Posts: 787	Oops! Sorry for the thread hijack, I probably should have asked this by PM. Please forgive me.

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