New Sub 126040 - 3230 losing time

[belutak]

New Sub started loosing 2.5-3s a day after only 3 months. Similar experience anyone?


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[Roddypeepa]

Yes. The 3235 movement has had some “issues”. There’s a massive thread about it.


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[Roddypeepa]

Edit: beg your pardon all the 32 series.

Is it out of cosc or out of superlative. Because if it’s only -2.5 then it definitely is not worth considering taking in at this point.


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[belutak]

Originally Posted by Roddypeepa

Edit: beg your pardon all the 32 series.

Is it out of cosc or out of superlative. Because if it’s only -2.5 then it definitely is not worth considering taking in at this point.


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It was 0-0 for 3 months than a few days ago started loosing 2-3s a day and today more like -3.5 s


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[padi56]

Originally Posted by belutak

New Sub started loosing 2.5-3s a day after only 3 months. Similar experience anyone?


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Wow how can you live with a watch loosing 2.5 to 3 seconds a day out of 86400 seconds in a day.

[Roddypeepa]

Position, remaining power reserve, temperature all affect time keeping.

Also, as the movement “settles” time keeping can change a bit like a car engine being run in.

86400 seconds in a day.

https://calibercorner.com/positions/#google_vignette




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[brandrea]

Bottom line, some care about the +2/-2 Rolex advertised spec and others don’t.

Since yours is outside the advertised spec and if it bothers you, send it in.

Personally, I wouldn’t notice that in practical use and it wouldn’t bother me.

[belutak]

Originally Posted by brandrea

Bottom line, some care about the +2/-2 Rolex advertised spec and others don’t.

Since yours is outside the advertised spec and if it bothers you, send it in.

Personally, I wouldn’t notice that in practical use and it wouldn’t bother me.

It bothers me because it is brand new and it went out of COSC spec literally within a few days. The sudden change worries me.


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[brandrea]

Originally Posted by belutak

It bothers me because it is brand new and it went out of COSC spec literally within a few days. The sudden change worries me.


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As I said, send it in then


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[alphadweller]

Wait, don't take it in just yet. Keep wearing it and try self regulation with the rest position. Horizontal up seems to yield positive variance with the 32xx, enough to offset most of the loss from wearing it. It's mechanical, don't sweat it. Honestly, - 3s/d is nothing. I'd personally take it in at - 10, if it bothers you.

[belutak]

Originally Posted by alphadweller

Wait, don't take it in just yet. Keep wearing it and try self regulation with the rest position. Horizontal up seems to yield positive variance with the 32xx, enough to offset most of the loss from wearing it. It's mechanical, don't sweat it. Honestly, - 3s/d is nothing. I'd personally take it in at - 10, if it bothers you.

What bothers me is the sudden change for the brand new watch. It also appears worse if rested face up over night.


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[JMGoodnight369]

Originally Posted by padi56

Wow how can you live with a watch loosing 2.5 to 3 seconds a day out of 86400 seconds in a day.

Dude will you please chill on this? Like we all know your stance on the 86400 seconds and people getting upset that they paid 10k or more for a time piece that doesn’t do what it’s stated to do. At this point I think the number of times you’ve commented this rivals the number of members that posted on the 32xx issue thread

[waterman1]

I have heard of the sea dwellers mainly and other 3235 movements having the issue, but not the 124060 with the 3230.
Are there issues with the 124060 as well?
* I will say I’ve had issues with the 3235 and it certainly was not only -3 seconds per day. More like 30 to 45 and more.

[rohada]

Originally Posted by belutak

It also appears worse if rested face up over night.

For my 11 and 12 series, face up always speeds up my watches when resting overnight. I slow them down by resting them crown up. That's been my experience with the Rolex watches I currently own.

As mentioned above, sometimes overnight positioning for regulating purposes can have the desired effect. I'd try that first over several nights, because you have plenty of warranty time to get it addressed, if need be. I wish you well.

[rover26c]

Originally Posted by belutak

New Sub started loosing 2.5-3s a day after only 3 months. Similar experience anyone?


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WIND the crown for 40 times and report back to us tomorrow

[Roddypeepa]

I don’t think they’ll do anything with this. Remember it’s plus minus 2 averaged out over 6 positions. The just because it doesn’t perform like that in the real world, does NOT mean that it is “out of spec.”

If I was really bothered I would give it a wind, leave it alone face up for 48 h and go back and check. Repeat in all 6 resting positions and average out. This will only be a guide but it could tell you whether the way your wrist hangs, or how it gets left on the dresser etc. is affecting overall time keeping.

I often hear of people who are “amazed” their watch is spot on but in fact there is going to be some variation with position and so it is just averaging out to be “perfect “ when in fact is also partly luck and how it was regulated.


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[JMGoodnight369]

Originally Posted by waterman1

I have heard of the sea dwellers mainly and other 3235 movements having the issue, but not the 124060 with the 3230.
Are there issues with the 124060 as well?
* I will say I’ve had issues with the 3235 and it certainly was not only -3 seconds per day. More like 30 to 45 and more.

I chime in on this one. Yes I had purchased a 124060 from the AD in January of 2022. It ran at -5/6 that day. I had hope that it would settle in and maybe start running a little faster but it actually got worse. I took it on a trip to NYC in October of that year and they said amplitude was well below where it should be. So they serviced it and it took almost 3 months to get it back. Since then it’s been running better. It’s slow on the wrist but pretty fast dial up resting. Maybe that’s how it has to be regulated. I had another 3235 do the same thing after about 5 months. Went from running +1.5 to -5/7. Really hoping my BLRO doesn’t have this prob

[shipitfresh]

My 5yo DJ 126334 was keeping excellent time for the first 2 years. I could regulate any time variation with the recommended bezel down or face face up while sleeping to regulate. Then rather abruptly, and still at this time it loses 10-20 seconds per night regardless of resting position. This does bother me some and I'll be bringing it back to the tech at my AD to see if he can fix the situation without sending it out.

[KatGirl]

Originally Posted by belutak

It bothers me because it is brand new and it went out of COSC spec literally within a few days. The sudden change worries me.


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COSC spec is -4 to + 6 seconds per day, so not out of COSC spec, but out of Rolex stated spec of -2 to + 2. As Brian said, send it in, if it bothers you. Personally, I wouldn’t unless it actually does go out of COSC spec.

Kat


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[BlakeA]

Just consider it “useful jewelry” and just check your phone if you really need the ‘accurate’ time of day. It’ll be less stress in your life then. ��

[sgt10p]

All.these opinions on how a mechanical watch should be. Well the manufacturer sold the watch with the statement that it is +/- 2 seconds a day. Period. Just like any other product sold with a declaration the purchaser should be entitled to rely on that statement. You can go out and buy a Seiko 5 for £200 which keeps 'good time' for a mechanical watch but no, we bought a £10,000 + Rolex!

So all this quoting of seconds in a day is irrelevant to the argument. Just a statement on what some people feel is a reasonable expectation from a mechanical watch.

[Kevin of Larchmont]

Originally Posted by Roddypeepa

I don’t think they’ll do anything with this. Remember it’s plus minus 2 averaged out over 6 positions. The just because it doesn’t perform like that in the real world, does NOT mean that it is “out of spec.”

If I was really bothered I would give it a wind, leave it alone face up for 48 h and go back and check. Repeat in all 6 resting positions and average out. This will only be a guide but it could tell you whether the way your wrist hangs, or how it gets left on the dresser etc. is affecting overall time keeping.

I often hear of people who are “amazed” their watch is spot on but in fact there is going to be some variation with position and so it is just averaging out to be “perfect “ when in fact is also partly luck and how it was regulated.


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Calm rational arguments don’t sell here, maybe kick up the drama next time.

[swexlin]

Originally Posted by waterman1

I have heard of the sea dwellers mainly and other 3235 movements having the issue, but not the 124060 with the 3230.
Are there issues with the 124060 as well?
* I will say I’ve had issues with the 3235 and it certainly was not only -3 seconds per day. More like 30 to 45 and more.

my 2021 DSSD ran about -2spd from new out of the box. Was like that for 15 months. Until, literally overnight, it went o 8, then 10, the 12 or more over the course of a couple days. No change in wearing or winding habits.

Sent it in to RSC, came back 2 months, running about +2spd, and that's been over a year now. Knock wood, LOL!

[TickTockChuck]

Originally Posted by sgt10p

All.these opinions on how a mechanical watch should be. Well the manufacturer sold the watch with the statement that it is +/- 2 seconds a day. Period. Just like any other product sold with a declaration the purchaser should be entitled to rely on that statement. You can go out and buy a Seiko 5 for £200 which keeps 'good time' for a mechanical watch but no, we bought a £10,000 + Rolex!

So all this quoting of seconds in a day is irrelevant to the argument. Just a statement on what some people feel is a reasonable expectation from a mechanical watch.

I totally agree. Rolex blows their horn about how accurate their watches are and should deliver. Folks pay big bucks for these time pieces and have certain expectations, especially when they are new and under warranty. Dismissing peoples concerns, especially considering how many there are for the 32XX, I don't think is fair. BTW I have a Seiko 5, which I think is fabulous value and well made, and it keeps very good time within COSC.

[Devildog]

Originally Posted by Roddypeepa

I don’t think they’ll do anything with this. Remember it’s plus minus 2 averaged out over 6 positions. The just because it doesn’t perform like that in the real world, does NOT mean that it is “out of spec.”

If I was really bothered I would give it a wind, leave it alone face up for 48 h and go back and check. Repeat in all 6 resting positions and average out. This will only be a guide but it could tell you whether the way your wrist hangs, or how it gets left on the dresser etc. is affecting overall time keeping.

I often hear of people who are “amazed” their watch is spot on but in fact there is going to be some variation with position and so it is just averaging out to be “perfect “ when in fact is also partly luck and how it was regulated.


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How Rolex test is irrelevant.

They advertise +/-2spd after casing.

There is no caveat to that. No mention of averaged out over 6 positions. No mention of wear habits. No mention of anything else. Semantics over precision versus accuracy are irrelevant. What you know regarding the testing is irrelevant.

Rolex advertise +/- 2spd. The consumer has a legal right to expect their watch to stay within that 4 second window for the duration of the warranty period in whatever resting position they choose.

There is no debate. No argument. No rationalising positioning, temperature, how many seconds there are in a day. As far as the consumer is concerned that is all irrelevant. If the watch gains or loses more than the advertised number of seconds per day it is out of spec from that advertised. Rolex have made a rod for their own back with this.

I really struggle to see why that is so hard for so many on this forum to grasp.

And before anyone quotes the car fuel consumption analogy, that is totally different.

A car meeting quoted power figures would be more appropriate, but still not ideal as fuel type used, for example, will have an impact.

A consumer has every right to walk into a Rolex AD. Buy a new watch and expect it to perform as advertised. It should, in fact, be no worse than +/- 2spd in its worst resting position. If that's not what Rolex intended, Rolex needs to change its narrative.

The average consumer is not expected to know about the finer details of mechanical watch performance. About the effect of resting positions. About the effect of temperature and gravity. The consumer is, however, entitled to rely on Rolex advertising and promotion.

-2.5 spd is 25% out of advertised spec. -3 is 50% out of advertised spec.

[Devildog]

Originally Posted by Kevin of Larchmont

Calm rational arguments don’t sell here, maybe kick up the drama next time.

It may be calm and rational but its wrong and irrelevant.

[Devildog]

Originally Posted by sgt10p

All.these opinions on how a mechanical watch should be. Well the manufacturer sold the watch with the statement that it is +/- 2 seconds a day. Period. Just like any other product sold with a declaration the purchaser should be entitled to rely on that statement. You can go out and buy a Seiko 5 for £200 which keeps 'good time' for a mechanical watch but no, we bought a £10,000 + Rolex!

So all this quoting of seconds in a day is irrelevant to the argument. Just a statement on what some people feel is a reasonable expectation from a mechanical watch.

This.

[Devildog]

Originally Posted by padi56

Wow how can you live with a watch loosing 2.5 to 3 seconds a day out of 86400 seconds in a day.

Peter

I accept that this frustrates you. That ultimate performance is not important to you. I understand why and that your priorities lie elsewhere (as they should)

But the sarcasm on this and every other related post is not needed.

We all have differing priorities for whatever reason. We all have different thresholds for what is acceptable to us. No one's priorities or thresholds are ultimately right or wrong. They are just different.

You have, what, about 20 years more time on this planet than I do, but if I can give you any advice it would be this.

Don't waste time with negative emotions over trivial matters. Don't waste it on anything at all of you can do that too. As you know, time is far too precious for that.

[Ravager135]

I have multiple watches with the 32xx movement bought from its introduction a few years back now to one purchased only a few months ago. I have put all of my watches on a timegrapher. They all run -2/+2 seconds or better.

I only make this point to say that these are merely anecdotes. As are the complaints about this movement. If greater than +\- 2 second bothers someone, then get it checked out. It’s just equally foolish to presume that there is an endemic fundamental flaw with this movement because of anecdotes. There have been movement issues with new Rolex watches well before the latest iteration. They happen, have happened, and will continue to happen.

The magnifying glass with which we put these things under is absurd. If you have an issue, get it checked out. It’s equally a waste of time to obsess over this issue here when in reality not one single watch (even mine that are keeping perfect time on a timegrapher) will keep perfect time in real life. Movement, resting positions, too many variables to account for. Even watches that run perfect in lab settings run fast or slow in the real world.

[Andad]

Originally Posted by Devildog

Peter

I accept that this frustrates you. That ultimate performance is not important to you. I understand why and that your priorities lie elsewhere (as they should)

But the sarcasm on this and every other related post is not needed.

We all have differing priorities for whatever reason. We all have different thresholds for what is acceptable to us. No one's priorities or thresholds are ultimately right or wrong. They are just different.

You have, what, about 20 years more time on this planet than I do, but if I can give you any advice it would be this.

Don't waste time with negative emotions over trivial matters. Don't waste it on anything at all of you can do that too. As you know, time is far too precious for that.

11/10 Scott.