Wishing to clarify Daytona dial knowledge

[thurualle]

I'm quite a novice and just learning about the history of the Daytona from the Zenith movements to the current iterations. I have a question tho.

I was browsing a Rolex facebook group and someone posted a picture of a Daytona.

If this is a pre-ceramic Daytona dial, is it correct to say that the R from 'ROLEX' should be in line with the T from 'OYSTER'?

Cos looking at the 116500 and the 126500, the R sits between S and T of 'OYSTER', much like this picture.

And if that is so, does this mean this watch could possibly be using a 116xxx dial or 126xxx dial?

[Tools]

No.

There are dozens of variations of the paint/ink on dials. Dials are "tamped" using a rubber, ink filled bladder (tamp). These tamps have a finite life before they are replaced with another that might not be cut the same, and they change slightly when refilled as well not to mention varied pressure when applied.

[Neil McCauley]

Originally Posted by Tools

No.

There are dozens of variations of the paint/ink on dials. Dials are "tamped" using a rubber, ink filled bladder (tamp). These tamps have a finite life before they are replaced with another that might not be cut the same, and they change slightly when refilled as well not to mention varied pressure when applied.

Are they filled with ink?? I always wondered how that worked

I just thought it picked up the printed pattern from one plate and placed it on the dial! Learned something today

[Bazil]

I’ve just started on a Mondani Book - Daytona, if anyone has any interest in the Daytona I highly recommend the book the knowledge in there is incredible ..

[thurualle]

Originally Posted by Tools

No.

There are dozens of variations of the paint/ink on dials. Dials are "tamped" using a rubber, ink filled bladder (tamp). These tamps have a finite life before they are replaced with another that might not be cut the same, and they change slightly when refilled as well not to mention varied pressure when applied.

Ah, thanks for the info. So placement of the ROLEX with OYSTER PERPETUAL isn't a good indication of whether a watch dial was replaced, or is a fake. It's just a possible variation during manufacture.

[thurualle]

Originally Posted by Bazil

I’ve just started on a Mondani Book - Daytona, if anyone has any interest in the Daytona I highly recommend the book the knowledge in there is incredible ..
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All 3 books? Or just the Mondani one?

[padi56]

Originally Posted by thurualle

Ah, thanks for the info. So placement of the ROLEX with OYSTER PERPETUAL isn't a good indication of whether a watch dial was replaced, or is a fake. It's just a possible variation during manufacture.

Dials are still made in 3 different factories but now all owned by Rolex, so there always have been, and always will be tiny variations to dials dial fonts etc over the production years.

[Bazil]

Originally Posted by padi56

Dials are still made in 3 different factories but now all owned by Rolex, so there always have been, and always will be tiny variations to dials dial fonts etc over the production years.

[Devildog]

Originally Posted by thurualle

I'm quite a novice and just learning about the history of the Daytona from the Zenith movements to the current iterations. I have a question tho.

I was browsing a Rolex facebook group and someone posted a picture of a Daytona.

If this is a pre-ceramic Daytona dial, is it correct to say that the R from 'ROLEX' should be in line with the T from 'OYSTER'?

Cos looking at the 116500 and the 126500, the R sits between S and T of 'OYSTER', much like this picture.

And if that is so, does this mean this watch could possibly be using a 116xxx dial or 126xxx dial?

That dial was only available in the 116523 and the 116528 Daytonas

[Tools]

Originally Posted by thurualle

Ah, thanks for the info. So placement of the ROLEX with OYSTER PERPETUAL isn't a good indication of whether a watch dial was replaced, or is a fake. It's just a possible variation during manufacture.

Not really. There are certainly tells for fakes, more so than a minor font/cosmetic variance.

As to "replacement" you need to know if a certain dial was available for a particular model since most all interchange. Again, it would not be a cosmetic variance that could tell you this.

[thurualle]

Originally Posted by Tools

Not really. There are certainly tells for fakes, more so than a minor font/cosmetic variance.

As to "replacement" you need to know if a certain dial was available for a particular model since most all interchange. Again, it would not be a cosmetic variance that could tell you this.

Thanks for the good pointer!

[thurualle]

Originally Posted by Devildog

That dial was only available in the 116523 and the 116528 Daytonas

yeah, that's what i thought. But it was sporting that pre-ceramic bezel, which got me quite confused. But yeah, dial interchange is not uncommon i guess. Doesn't mean it's a fake. Thanks for your input!

[Devildog]

Originally Posted by thurualle

yeah, that's what i thought. But it was sporting that pre-ceramic bezel, which got me quite confused. But yeah, dial interchange is not uncommon i guess. Doesn't mean it's a fake. Thanks for your input!

That gold bezel is correct for that watch and dial. TT and all gold with bracelet 116 series Daytonas all have metal (gold) bezels.

The gold bezel numbering style changed I believe prior to the ceramic bezels being introduced

Cheers


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