Considering a PM Daytona

[worldfamoussam]

Hi friends! Have been playing with this idea for a year and finally closer to having the appropriate plan to action it. I've always been a DD guy and the sportiest thing I've ever had was a YM. I'm thinking about diversifying a little and getting a Daytona in addition. My present collection is a 218238 with the ruby dial and I also have the big rose gold Cartier Ballon Bleu with a chocolate face.

Maybe you can help me:

I want a PM in a warm tone. The Daytonas that catch my eye are the YG with the Paul Newman dial and the RG with the brown dial (prefer stick to Arabic). There is a world in which with the latter I might replace the Cartier.

I know that the generations of the SS Daytona are distinguished by the ceramic bezel but the PMs look kind of similar to me. The 116508 and the 116528 look pretty similar to me but I'm also open to getting on a waiting list for present generation. Are these things meaningfully different and what should I consider between these three generations??

Wondering for shopping purposes - is the YG more valuable than the RG on secondary market? Seems the ones from the 116508/116505 generation have some less expensive 505s but it's hard to find a 508 under 40K usd which is probably about as much as I will want to spend on a pre owned.

If I'm willing to wait for a 126508 (because this isn't urgent), how long do you suppose that might take?

I've ruled out OF strap because I like how the watch wears larger on the oyster.

Appreciate any tips on what to consider here - and Happy Thanksgiving.

[brandrea]

Happy Thanksgiving and good luck with the hunt.

I’m not a Daytona expert, but I do like your thinking about going for the bracelet. If you’re gonna go precious metal, go all in

Best of luck!

[jb335]

I love this plan for you!

I think any of those PM Daytonas are great. I’m biased towards the 116508 but the 505s are great too.

I think you could get the current 126508 from an AD within a year but I actually prefer the previous version with the red accents.

Any choice you make here and you’re winning.


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[worldfamoussam]

Thanks! I'm excited about doing this soon. I guess I'm looking for more information on the differences in value proposition between the rose and the yellow but more specifically between say the 116528 vs. the 116508 vs. the 216508. Can you please shed any light? They are almost indistinguishable to me other than my cursory knowledge of which dials were offered when. I see a lot of 116528s in the 33K range - is that a good option or should I spring for a newer one?

[jb335]

Originally Posted by worldfamoussam

Thanks! I'm excited about doing this soon. I guess I'm looking for more information on the differences in value proposition between the rose and the yellow but more specifically between say the 116528 vs. the 116508 vs. the 216508. Can you please shed any light? They are almost indistinguishable to me other than my cursory knowledge of which dials were offered when. I see a lot of 116528s in the 33K range - is that a good option or should I spring for a newer one?

I don’t think there is any significant difference in value proposition/retention between YG and RG. Some may say RG is more susceptible to trends but the difference is likely negligible so just buy whichever shade of gold you like more on your wrist. I’m a YG guy personally, but I do wear other shades.

I’m not really following the 116528 market but last I checked there wasn’t a huge difference between pricing on the older 116528 compared to the 116508. If the delta isn’t impactful to you just get the newer 116508, assuming condition is comparable. Just be careful of a very low price on a 116528, that’s probably reflective of its condition.

If you added the current production 126508 into the mix that adds more unknown variables like wait time. No one can predict that. I believe with sales tax, this is the most expensive of the options. So you have an unknown wait, added expense AND arguably a less desirable PN dial (no red accents).

I’d personally lean towards the best condition 116508 on the market if it was me. That way you get it immediately and save a bit of money compared to buying new .


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[worldfamoussam]

Originally Posted by jb335

I don’t think there is any significant difference in value proposition/retention between YG and RG. Some may say RG is more susceptible to trends but the difference is likely negligible so just buy whichever shade of gold you like more on your wrist. I’m a YG guy personally, but I do wear other shades.

I’m not really following the 116528 market but last I checked there wasn’t a huge difference between pricing on the older 116528 compared to the 116508. If the delta isn’t impactful to you just get the newer 116508, assuming condition is comparable.

If you added the current production 126508 into the mix that adds more unknown variables like wait time. No one can predict that. I believe with sales tax, this is the most expensive of the options. So you have an unknown wait, added expense AND arguably a less desirable PN dial (no red accents).

I’d personally lean towards the best condition 116508 on the market if it was me. That way you get it immediately and save a bit of money compared to buying new .


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Hi, thanks a lot! This is super helpful. I'm rather likely to have to pay sales tax at most of the sources I'd find a 116508/528 as I would on a new one, but I think what the retail increases to on a 216508 is also a variable in the interceding time (and tarrifs?!).

I am leaning yellow gold because Rolex's Everose sort of washes out on my wrists (Cartier's is much more fitting).

I think the 116508/216508 are going to be within a few thousand bucks one way or the other. If you think the red accents are part of the appeal, that's something I'll definitely consider.

I see that the 1916 Co. has some of both the 116508/116528 available. The 508 seems to be about 45K and the 528 seems to be about 38K. I wonder if the difference is worth it for the 508.

Very appreciative of your help.

[PenDelicate]

Not a truly meaningful difference, more a stylistic preference, but the 116528 has the more vintage-looking bezel: the text is horizontally oriented and quite thin. The more modern 116508 has thicker text, radially oriented, and crisper triangle markers.

Prices of the 116528 are still dropping: the cheaper ones on Chrono24 have dropped 2000 euro in the past six months. I'd wait until the market bottoms-out.

Having said that, I pounced on a beautiful K-serial at the start of the year. No regrets.

20241127_123620d by Tom Kennedy, on Flickr

[Edwardfry3]

Congratulations in advance.

[worldfamoussam]

Originally Posted by PenDelicate

Not a truly meaningful difference, more a stylistic preference, but the 116528 has the more vintage-looking bezel: the text is horizontally oriented and quite thin. The more modern 116508 has thicker text, radially oriented, and crisper triangle markers.

Prices of the 116528 are still dropping: the cheaper ones on Chrono24 have dropped 2000 euro in the past six months. I'd wait until the market bottoms-out.

Having said that, I pounced on a beautiful K-serial at the start of the year. No regrets.

20241127_123620d by Tom Kennedy, on Flickr

That's a gorgeous watch, wow. Envious! 528 seems like a great option especially if the prices continue to slide a little.

[rolekyounouta]

I don't have it with me right now,,,

I'm waiting for next

126508 paulnewman

[1William]

Great looking watches. I would find the best example of the older style and go for it.

[watchwatcher]

Agree with the posts above, prefer the previous gen PN dials in YG...I don't care for what Rolex did with the 12 series.

Waiting on prices to go one way or the other is a tricky business, though. They have a funny way of not cooperating...good luck.

[Tlcwatchesmb]

Nice looking watch!!

[worldfamoussam]

I think I've honed in on wanting a 116508 Paul Newman and now I'm just working on finding the right one!

[daysky1]

Oyster, 40 mm, Everose gold

Reference 126515LN

$33,500

[Devildog]

Originally Posted by worldfamoussam

Thanks! I'm excited about doing this soon. I guess I'm looking for more information on the differences in value proposition between the rose and the yellow but more specifically between say the 116528 vs. the 116508 vs. the 216508. Can you please shed any light? They are almost indistinguishable to me other than my cursory knowledge of which dials were offered when. I see a lot of 116528s in the 33K range - is that a good option or should I spring for a newer one?

I think you are confusing your references. There is no 216528

116528 & 116508 (prior gen, YG, bracelet) has a different case from the 126508 (current gen, YG, bracelet). 528 and 508 have different bezel designs (verical numbers v radial numbers)

The new case is symmetrical with downward curving lugs.

All generations of the RG (116505, 126505) have to all intents and purposes identical cases.

Here in the UK, theres not much difference in value retention.

HTH.

[worldfamoussam]

I appreciate the clarification on ref #. I had the DD numbering scheme in mind and got a little confused.

Tried on a 126508 today and liked it but preferred the older style dial. Going to see a piece about an hour away this week that's 116508. Is at very top of budget so would have to be in love.

Originally Posted by Devildog

I think you are confusing your references. There is no 216528

116528 & 116508 (prior gen, YG, bracelet) has a different case from the 126508 (current gen, YG, bracelet). 528 and 508 have different bezel designs (verical numbers v radial numbers)

The new case is symmetrical with downward curving lugs.

All generations of the RG (116505, 126505) have to all intents and purposes identical cases.

Here in the UK, theres not much difference in value retention.

HTH.

[PenDelicate]

Originally Posted by worldfamoussam

I appreciate the clarification on ref #. I had the DD numbering scheme in mind and got a little confused.

Tried on a 126508 today and liked it but preferred the older style dial. Going to see a piece about an hour away this week that's 116508. Is at very top of budget so would have to be in love.

Make sure all the bracelet-links are included.

[worldfamoussam]

Originally Posted by PenDelicate

Make sure all the bracelet-links are included.

How many am I looking for, 12 removable?

[Calatrava r]

Get the one you will wear the most.

[BraveBold]

Originally Posted by PenDelicate

Not a truly meaningful difference, more a stylistic preference, but the 116528 has the more vintage-looking bezel: the text is horizontally oriented and quite thin. The more modern 116508 has thicker text, radially oriented, and crisper triangle markers.

Prices of the 116528 are still dropping: the cheaper ones on Chrono24 have dropped 2000 euro in the past six months. I'd wait until the market bottoms-out.

Having said that, I pounced on a beautiful K-serial at the start of the year. No regrets.

20241127_123620d by Tom Kennedy, on Flickr

That is a nice looking watch!