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Speed · 6 October 2009, 02:00 PM

Sorry if this is a repeat.

Thanks!!

Juggernaut · 6 October 2009, 02:29 PM

You mean the first to have SEL? Because they're still using it on the new ceramic model aren't they?

Speed · 6 October 2009, 02:30 PM

No I mean the last... I think it is the Y series - like my Sub Date.

Dont think the GMTII c has lug holes.

moviefreak · 6 October 2009, 02:35 PM

I have seen subs with solid end links and lug holes..

Juggernaut · 6 October 2009, 02:39 PM

WHaaat?!! Did they go back to hollow end links on the bracelets? That's why it looks like on the photos. I had to take a second look. Why? The SEL's were a huge improvement. What is Rolex thinking?!?!

Juggernaut · 6 October 2009, 02:42 PM

Am I wrong, but doesn't this newest Sub have SEL:http://www.rolexreferencepage.com/11...619review.html

Tools · 6 October 2009, 02:57 PM

Bill,

Your questions don't make any sense..

However... The GMT got SEL bracelets in about 1999 (sometime during the U/A release) and they are still using them today, so the last series was/is the "V". For lug-holes cases, the GMT II continued with lug holes in the case until the same time as most of the others, sometime in the 2003/04 "Y" release..

So, there is a 4 or 5 year period ~1999 to ~2004, where you would find SEL bracelets and lug-hole cases..

Speed · 6 October 2009, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tools

Bill,

Your questions don't make any sense..

However... The GMT got SEL bracelets in about 1999 (sometime during the U/A release) and they are still using them today, so the last series was/is the "V". For lug-holes cases, the GMT II continued with lug holes in the case until the same time as most of the others, sometime in the 2003/04 "Y" release..

So, there is a 4 or 5 year period ~1999 to ~2004, where you would find SEL bracelets and lug-hole cases..

My bad Larry...

I did in fact want to know when SELs started in the GMT IIs. You answered that for me. 1999.

And I had lug holes on the brain as well. Strange.

I will blame my q&a on a strong Mai Tai.

Thanks!

JJ Irani · 6 October 2009, 05:07 PM

My K-series GMT-II had SELs but also had the lug holes.

JJ

Speed · 6 October 2009, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

My K-series GMT-II had SELs but also had the lug holes.

JJ

Thanks JJ

The GMT Kid · 6 October 2009, 06:49 PM

Sorry guys, but the GMTII did not get SELs until 2001.

My A series, purchased brand new in August of 2000, does not have SELs. I was active on all the Rolex forums at the time and have vivid memories of trying to convince myself that I did not make a mistake in not waiting.

mike · 6 October 2009, 09:29 PM

Mid to late A series to my knowledge. I handled one that was described as late A.

With Rolex it's hard to give any hard and fast rule.

sakuraba · 7 October 2009, 01:14 AM

As for last GMTs to have SELs AND lug holes, I have seen an early Y that had SELs and case holes.

Hope this helps Bill.

Juggernaut · 7 October 2009, 02:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tools

Bill,
Your questions don't make any sense..

that's what I was trying to point out.
So what IS clear (very) is that Rolex changed to SEL first and then gradually got rid of the lug holes...

JJ Irani · 7 October 2009, 02:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juggernaut

that's what I was trying to point out.
So what IS clear (very) is that Rolex changed to SEL first and then gradually got rid of the lug holes...

Correct......nicely summarised!!

Speed · 7 October 2009, 02:55 AM

Thanks.

OK to close this thread. Forget the Lug Hole mentions. My bad

I was trying to understand when the GMT IIs first got SELs. Posted quickly / poorly. For shame!

Looks like they had SELs at least as early as K series, per JJ.

This helps me out. I need to look for a GMT at least K or later if I want SELs!!!

donq · 20 July 2010, 02:57 AM

I have an A series Submariner which has hollow end links and lug holes.

It also has the machined recess on the back of the case between the lugs
for the SEL bracelet.

Is this correct for this model? Did they just machine all the cases this way
and continue to use up the available bracelets?

Is there a way to determine if this bracelet is the one originally installed on
this watch (It was purchased used)?

Would the paperwork indicate this perhaps?

Thanks!

AndersB · 20 July 2010, 08:23 AM

Has the ref number of SEL bracelets for the GMT IIs always been 78790? Anyone knows?

AndersB · 20 July 2010, 03:52 PM

Would Rolex find it acceptable to fit a SEL bracelet on a watch that originally came with a non-SEL? Any thoughts? My guess would yes.

6 October 2009, 02:00 PM	#1
Speed "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: USA Posts: 19,706	What was the last GMT II series to have solid end link bracelet?? Sorry if this is a repeat. Thanks!!

6 October 2009, 02:35 PM	#4
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6 October 2009, 02:57 PM	#7
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,514	Bill, Your questions don't make any sense.. However... The GMT got SEL bracelets in about 1999 (sometime during the U/A release) and they are still using them today, so the last series was/is the "V". For lug-holes cases, the GMT II continued with lug holes in the case until the same time as most of the others, sometime in the 2003/04 "Y" release.. So, there is a 4 or 5 year period ~1999 to ~2004, where you would find SEL bracelets and lug-hole cases.. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

6 October 2009, 05:07 PM	#9
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,319	My K-series GMT-II had SELs but also had the lug holes. JJ __________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!!

7 October 2009, 01:14 AM	#13
sakuraba "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Real Name: Jib Location: SJ, California Watch: sun dial Posts: 8,189	As for last GMTs to have SELs AND lug holes, I have seen an early Y that had SELs and case holes. Hope this helps Bill. __________________ F 14000 AirKing black F 16710 GMT Pepsi F 16570 Explorer II white T 16600 SD D 16610 LV "fine quality is remembered long after the pain of spending money" -Steve Mulholland

6 October 2009, 02:29 PM	#2
Juggernaut "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 901	You mean the first to have SEL? Because they're still using it on the new ceramic model aren't they?

6 October 2009, 02:30 PM	#3
Speed "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: USA Posts: 19,706	No I mean the last... I think it is the Y series - like my Sub Date. Dont think the GMTII c has lug holes.

6 October 2009, 02:39 PM	#5
Juggernaut "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 901	WHaaat?!! Did they go back to hollow end links on the bracelets? That's why it looks like on the photos. I had to take a second look. Why? The SEL's were a huge improvement. What is Rolex thinking?!?!

6 October 2009, 02:42 PM	#6
Juggernaut "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 901	Am I wrong, but doesn't this newest Sub have SEL:http://www.rolexreferencepage.com/11...619review.html

6 October 2009, 06:49 PM	#11
The GMT Kid Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: S.F. Peninsula Watch: what you say! Posts: 815	Sorry guys, but the GMTII did not get SELs until 2001. My A series, purchased brand new in August of 2000, does not have SELs. I was active on all the Rolex forums at the time and have vivid memories of trying to convince myself that I did not make a mistake in not waiting.

6 October 2009, 09:29 PM	#12
mike "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 22,683	Mid to late A series to my knowledge. I handled one that was described as late A. With Rolex it's hard to give any hard and fast rule.

7 October 2009, 02:55 AM	#16
Speed "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: USA Posts: 19,706	Thanks. OK to close this thread. Forget the Lug Hole mentions. My bad I was trying to understand when the GMT IIs first got SELs. Posted quickly / poorly. For shame! Looks like they had SELs at least as early as K series, per JJ. This helps me out. I need to look for a GMT at least K or later if I want SELs!!!

20 July 2010, 02:57 AM	#17
donq "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Dallas tx Watch: 16610,1675,16030 Posts: 1,136	I have an A series Submariner which has hollow end links and lug holes. It also has the machined recess on the back of the case between the lugs for the SEL bracelet. Is this correct for this model? Did they just machine all the cases this way and continue to use up the available bracelets? Is there a way to determine if this bracelet is the one originally installed on this watch (It was purchased used)? Would the paperwork indicate this perhaps? Thanks!

20 July 2010, 08:23 AM	#18
AndersB "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Europe Posts: 603	Has the ref number of SEL bracelets for the GMT IIs always been 78790? Anyone knows?

20 July 2010, 03:52 PM	#19
AndersB "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Europe Posts: 603	Would Rolex find it acceptable to fit a SEL bracelet on a watch that originally came with a non-SEL? Any thoughts? My guess would yes.

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