CARTIER SANTOS need help if authentic or not..

[wickedjinx]

Hi guys, i just registered in this forum today, i need only a few minutes of your time to check if you guys can look if this is an authentic watch..

Cartier santos round - pictures..













Hope anyone can help me out. thanks

[Airborn]

Hi first I do not know much about Cartier watches but according to those that i have had chance to see this is some of main identifications since it was Pasha:
Your watch is in very bad shape, but there are some indications about good quality polished bezel and case brushed SS, according to this pictures what I can see. And movement is NORMFLATLINE ETA 956.112, or 956 .412 Quartz. The movements are same, there is not necessary differences in(like date ring size-wider .412), and size of movements.This is good quality ETA's quartz movements.The rubber for water and dust resistance is red what is Cartier's some kind of flagship-origin red color. SO YES YOUR WATCH IS ORIGINAL!!!
Of course according to pictures that you posted.
wear it in good health
P.S. If you need some more info about be free to ask post or what ever.............................................. ..................................................

[wickedjinx]

Thanks for the reply, i haven't seen any cartier movement yet, so i was thinking that it could be a fake, a few polish here and there would bring life to this watch (hopefully). I just want to make sure that the movement is cartier, not just some swiss movement. thanks airborn for the reply.

shouldn't it have the cartier etched words on the movement?

[WatchTimes]

The movement is not Cartier, it is ETA quartz which Cartier buys to put in these watches

[Submarino]

Originally Posted by wickedjinx

Thanks for the reply, i haven't seen any cartier movement yet, so i was thinking that it could be a fake, a few polish here and there would bring life to this watch (hopefully). I just want to make sure that the movement is cartier, not just some swiss movement. thanks airborn for the reply.

shouldn't it have the cartier etched words on the movement?

The engraving of the reference and serial numbers in the back seems a little uneven and weird. Can you clearly read the "Cartier" inscription on the five (V) of the Roman numeral seven (VII)?

[wickedjinx]

Originally Posted by JYogi

The movement is not Cartier, it is ETA quartz which Cartier buys to put in these watches

So does this mean that the movement is fake? I believe it should be a cartier right?

[Joey_V]

The movement is legit OEM.

[WatchTimes]

No Wicked, Cartier does not make a quartz movement....
They buy them like many other companies do and put them in their cases.

I would have thought they would have marked the movement somewhere inside though? Not certain, never been big on quartz especially in higher end watches.

Sub is right on, look for the writing he mentioned.

Part of me says it could be a fake but I have never seen a fake where the case back actually screws on.

Face is in bad shape, bezel is missing a screw to hold it down at 8 oclock.

Don't know if thats the original band or not.
Looks like it is gonna take some time and money to really get it in nice solid shape again and sorry to say with it being a quartz even if it is real I am not sure if it is really worth it.

[Submarino]

Good observations Jeremy. I think it's also missing the sapphire on the crown, plus that strap looks pretty beat down and not the original.

[Airborn]

Originally Posted by wickedjinx

Thanks for the reply, i haven't seen any cartier movement yet, so i was thinking that it could be a fake, a few polish here and there would bring life to this watch (hopefully). I just want to make sure that the movement is cartier, not just some swiss movement. thanks airborn for the reply.

shouldn't it have the cartier etched words on the movement?

OK I know that in house movements are important, to me the most important when I looking for watch and that is only authenticy of manufacture,and no one manufacture put their logo on quartz.Because not all manufactures were able to survive the crisis of mechanical watches, by presenting quartz. In that time Cartier was Pasha and very small jewelery manufacture like baume&mercier, so they wasn't that lucky like Omega which is saved by TISSOT or like IWC by VDO(during 2nd world war), so that is reason why Cartier does not have in house calibres but they developed bracklets, leather and rubber braces what use everyone manufacture in heute horlogerie industry, and also they developed some metal material alloys which are also patented by Cartier like gold turbillon, developet Breguet Hairspring in gold and platinum with silica, also silica hairspring wheel, etc..........and hair spring is most important part in calibres.I am really sorry that they do not have in house movements they use ETA developed not hardly or highly, they are more fashion watches than Haute Horlogerie like JLC,IWC,Breguet,AP,etc.... and quartz movements are not so populare in collectionars world, so if you love that watch keep it because soon that ETA will be removed from market like same eta .122, and than it would piece for collectionars prices.
Anything else bee free to ask

[Airborn]

Guys this watch is about 30 and more years old so sapphire crystal is since 1960 and was only used for top luxury watches at that time which was only Breguet,Rolex,Girard Perregaux,JLC, etc..Which one of this was not Pasha-Cartier , sapphire isn't use even in military or industry since 1965 IWC use it for the first time in industry, and few years earlier O. Panerai for Italin Royal Navy. They produce jewelery till 70'-80' when they become Cartier watches, and this is mineral glass because of its curves at the edge of glass on 2 first pictures because sapphire does not have reflections at the edge, because only Longines Diver Legend has curved sapphire crystal, and it doesn't have reflections like here.And Wickedjinx Movement isn't fake because it is not Cartiers!!! like people before me said.
Strap definitely isn't Cartier's, and about crown it is look on some new models and they are almost same except those once with blue stone. I hope that I was understandable because english is my second language. Thanks

[Submarino]

Originally Posted by Airborn

OK I know that in house movements are important, to me the most important when I looking for watch and that is only authenticy of manufacture,and no one manufacture put their logo on quartz.Because not all manufactures were able to survive the crisis of mechanical watches, by presenting quartz. In that time Cartier was Pasha and very small jewelery manufacture like baume&mercier, so they wasn't that lucky like Omega which is saved by TISSOT or like IWC by VDO(during 2nd world war), so that is reason why Cartier does not have in house calibres but they developed bracklets, leather and rubber braces what use everyone manufacture in heute horlogerie industry, and also they developed some metal material alloys which are also patented by Cartier like gold turbillon, developet Breguet Hairspring in gold and platinum with silica, also silica hairspring wheel, etc..........and hair spring is most important part in calibres.I am really sorry that they do not have in house movements they use ETA developed not hardly or highly, they are more fashion watches than Haute Horlogerie like JLC,IWC,Breguet,AP,etc.... and quartz movements are not so populare in collectionars world, so if you love that watch keep it because soon that ETA will be removed from market like same eta .122, and than it would piece for collectionars prices.
Anything else bee free to ask

Rolex used to mark their Oysterquartz' movements.

[wickedjinx]

thanks for giving time replying on post guys. So for this watch, my only question was "shouldn't the movement be cartier's? or atleast have cartier etched on it?" because i was looking at ebay and have seen quartz cartier movement like this

http://cgi.ebay.ph/CARTIER-MOVEMENT-...item48364a5caa

i think this kind of movement are for the new ones, since this watch is old and cartier has yet to manufacture movements like this.

[Submarino]

Originally Posted by Airborn

Guys this watch is about 30 and more years old so sapphire crystal is since 1960 and was only used for top luxury watches at that time which was only Breguet,Rolex,Girard Perregaux,JLC, etc..Which one of this was not Pasha-Cartier , sapphire isn't use even in military or industry since 1965 IWC use it for the first time in industry, and few years earlier O. Panerai for Italin Royal Navy. They produce jewelery till 70'-80' when they become Cartier watches, and this is mineral glass because of its curves at the edge of glass on 2 first pictures because sapphire does not have reflections at the edge, because only Longines Diver Legend has curved sapphire crystal, and it doesn't have reflections like here.And Wickedjinx Movement isn't fake because it is not Cartiers!!! like people before me said.
Strap definitely isn't Cartier's, and about crown it is look on some new models and they are almost same except those once with blue stone. I hope that I was understandable because english is my second language. Thanks

I wasn't talking about a sapphire crystal but the deep blue sapphire (what you call a blue stone) that goes on the crown.

[Airborn]

Sorry but I do not know much about Rolex except historical facts and developments, I am not interest in Rolex at all............................and about formulation of named things like sapphire or stone, I know on which one Cartier you think, the one with chain from case to crown and it's crown because of it named "Blue stone" you can check this on their and Haute Horlogerie site

[wickedjinx]

thanks for the reply guys!, my only concern was if the movement was replaced from the original or something like that, but reading through all your replies, i've come to a conclusion that the watch was made 20? yrs ago, and during that time cartier has yet to manufacture their own movement. Because right now i can see cartier movement on ebay with the name etched on it. again thanks for the help.

[wickedjinx]

i saw this on ebay, and i think this is what the movement should look like:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Cartier-Cougar-1...item4837fb9742

[WatchTimes]

Airborn, most Cartiers have a stone on the winding crown.
My mothers 1970's Cartier tank had a yellow stone on the crown.
The movement does not look right, Cartier marks their movments in the limited
info I have been able to dig up.

Something doesn't look right about this one and even if it is legit unless you are buying it to work on as you are bored and to keep for yourself as you really like it I say stay away. Value is very low on a quartz model especially one like this and even if it is real it needs too much work.

1) Dial is a mess
2) Crown is missing the stone Cartier is known for on their crowns for YEARS, it clearly looks like it was knocked or broken off from your pics.
3) Bezel is missing a screw that holds it down
4) Improper band/bracelet
5) Questionable case back (need clearer closer pics)
6) Movement is unmarked which could be possible during this time period but overall not something Cartier does.
7) As it has been opened, it is older you need to get new gaskets and all to ensure it is water resistant.

Airborn, many companies took time to mark the ETA quartz with their name on it.

Wicked, I say skip it.

Good luck

[Airborn]

Originally Posted by JYogi

Airborn, most Cartiers have a stone on the winding crown.
My mothers 1970's Cartier tank had a yellow stone on the crown.
The movement does not look right, Cartier marks their movments in the limited
info I have been able to dig up.

Something doesn't look right about this one and even if it is legit unless you are buying it to work on as you are bored and to keep for yourself as you really like it I say stay away. Value is very low on a quartz model especially one like this and even if it is real it needs too much work.

1) Dial is a mess
2) Crown is missing the stone Cartier is known for on their crowns for YEARS, it clearly looks like it was knocked or broken off from your pics.
3) Bezel is missing a screw that holds it down
4) Improper band/bracelet
5) Questionable case back (need clearer closer pics)
6) Movement is unmarked which could be possible during this time period but overall not something Cartier does.
7) As it has been opened, it is older you need to get new gaskets and all to ensure it is water resistant.

Airborn, many companies took time to mark the ETA quartz with their name on it.

Wicked, I say skip it.

Good luck

Thanks a lot JYogy and please read what I said in my first post, read it please!!!......................................... .................................................. ..
Next thing this stone or what ever is it called are not Cartier's it is a simbol of Pasha which prove that Pasha is Cartier(Read some historical facts)), and not all watches had that because 1960s was founded Sapphire Crystal late it was used for watches(Sapphire Crystal - the most hardest oxide crystal,which is the basic crystal morphology of alumina (Al2O3). It posseses the characters of high strength, high hardness, high heat-resistance, wearability, corrosion resistance and light transmittance performance,which is the preferred watch glass material for the luxury watches.
When it is heated, the synthetic sapphire forms round masses that are sliced into pieces with diamond-coated saws. These disks are then ground and polished into watch crystals. (One reason sapphire crystals are relatively expensive is that the tools required to make them are costly)....... from www.europastar.com .
My friend have C. tank without crown detail. why? and it mechanical and bought in Paris officielle Crtier Butique.
Look this wholes left from battery and right from this gray I do not know name it on English-sorry there was metal plate like on this picture on ebay.......but it is lost for sure as a stone, and one on the left in blue field...........and about that ,that mostly,every or few marked or signing eta's quartz..........I would not be that sure because eta quartz is not used widely as mechanical, there you have Longines, JLC, isaswiss,Breitling, etc...............because there is a low or rule in Heute Horlogerie only can be signed as a proper or developed(tuned) by replacing parts with their own by manufacture.www.fhs.ch
I was just talked abut authenticy of movement which is for shore ETA used by C................................................. .............
Thank You one more time