Pls Help. Sub 116613 Flat Smurf Bezel not Clicking and can be turn both direction

[DarkIpsum]

Originally Posted by RoyalOac

I noticed the same thing too. Amateur refinishing. Whoever did the work incorrectly brushed it like a 5 digit reference; not to mention how wavy the grains are on both case and bracelet. I would try to return it if you just got it.

Is the brushing that bad? I am not concern about it. It does not bother me. So I guess I will not return it just because of it. My only concern is the bezel and “dirt” on the 10 hour marker. Just hoping for now that it wont cost that much. Still cant go to RSC this week. Next week will probably good for me. Smh


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[DarkIpsum]

Originally Posted by Devildog

Its actually one click/detent and three ball bearings. If it checks out ok, my guess is the detent part is broken or has a has a broken/jammed spring

Yes, that is the part that I did not see. Maybe it is missing. I will try to look again later when I get home. Thanks


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[watchwatcher]

I buy watches, not problems. I've got enough of those already.

If I somehow manage to buy a watch with a problem, the very first thing I do is to rectify that by returning it. If this problem was not disclosed by the seller, there is already an issue of trust in my mind of what he else he hasn't disclosed. Just my two cents.

[DarkIpsum]

Originally Posted by watchwatcher

I buy watches, not problems. I've got enough of those already.



If I somehow manage to buy a watch with a problem, the very first thing I do is to rectify that by returning it. If this problem was not disclosed by the seller, there is already an issue of trust in my mind of what he else he hasn't disclosed. Just my two cents.

Hahah yes you are right. Maybe I have a problem on returning watches or I am just stupid. I had a problem with reputable seller here on TRF. I picked up the explorer 2 42 watch all the way to PA, look at it and took it home. Once I got home I noticed that the crytal has a scratched which was not disclosed by the seller and insisting that he did not see that scratch. Cyclops also has a scratch and can be seen on the pictures he posted. (Miss that part when I look at his listing photos) I asked if I could return it and he said “no” because Once I went there and checked the watch that is as good as accepting it. I understand his situation, maybe he thinks that I am the one who scratched it. He offered me a free refinishing on the bracelet and case but I opted not to because won’t do any good on the crystal. Instead just asked for credit. Gave me alittle credit and that is it. Oh Well I still have the watch now and wearing it almost daily. :)


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[DarkIpsum]

Originally Posted by Runnin' Rebel

Ceramic going both ways on a Submariner? Not speaking to authenticity but I don’t think I’ve heard of that. Get a tooth brush or even dental floss and after soaking in warm water and using dish soap brush underneath the area where the bezel turns and although it sounds like there an issue with it turning both ways that needs a service perhaps. It does loook authentic though

I tried using a nylon thread, but still nothing. I will search the web on how to remove the bezel. maybe I can do it myself but if its tricky will just wait until next week for my RSC visit. Thanks

[SLS]

I would return it, you have 2 known issues already plus a poor polish job.

[Jeffreyc87]

Originally Posted by albmich

Why’s that strange? And who cares? Some people prefer to browse the forums rather than post up completely useless comments like yourself

Agreed. 100%.

[DarkIpsum]

Originally Posted by albmich

Why’s that strange? And who cares? Some people prefer to browse the forums rather than post up completely useless comments like yourself

Thanks fellow newyorker!

[t65tampa]

Don't feel too bad. I've purchased used Rolex watches in the past and things weren't perfect with them. Hopefully you got a good enough deal on it so that an RSC service will be worthwhile to give you more peace of mind. As long as the watch is all authentic and legitimate, you'll be fine.

The bezel fix is pretty straightforward, but they will likely charge you for a new bezel assembly. I'd be curious about what the speck is on the hour marker. Is it free floating debris or a sign of some shock injury to the watch.

[thesharkfactor]

Picture 2 in the 1st post, I can see the bezel has lifted from the case. Try pressing it back down into place before anything else?

[05carbondrz]

Originally Posted by padi56

Yes the ceramic inserts float on 3 spring-loaded ball-bearing and a spring loaded click stop.Would suspect on the OP watch the click stop spring in broken a easy fix but will have to go back to Rolex.Thats one of the many downfalls of ceramic not a DIY fix back to Rolex.

Long live 4 & 5 Digits! I can’t imagine not being able to swap Inserts at will.

[usling15]

Is your enthusiasm clouding your judgement ? Happens to me on every new watch I get.
It seems there is a lot of cosmetic problems going on here. Bad polish, crooked bezel, detents missing. Biggest deal breaker should be the "thing" inside on the dial. I would think some amateur really messed with this watch. If you have to pay for a complete service is it still worth the m9ney ?

[tudorbaja27]

Did you know the bezel was faulty before you bought? if not, return it.

[nektar]

see if you can return it... You paid a lot of money. Is should be in a mint condition.

[DarkIpsum]

Originally Posted by usling15

Is your enthusiasm clouding your judgement ? Happens to me on every new watch I get.
It seems there is a lot of cosmetic problems going on here. Bad polish, crooked bezel, detents missing. Biggest deal breaker should be the "thing" inside on the dial. I would think some amateur really messed with this watch. If you have to pay for a complete service is it still worth the m9ney ?

I really need to go to RSC to have it check and ask for a price quote to fix everything wrong. If It is under 1k I am still happy about it. I still have time to return it through buyers protection and told the seller about the problems. Would like to have the watch checked out first before deciding if I will return it or not.


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[DarkIpsum]

Originally Posted by tudorbaja27

Did you know the bezel was faulty before you bought? if not, return it.

No i did not. Contacted seller about it.


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[DarkIpsum]

Originally Posted by thesharkfactor

Picture 2 in the 1st post, I can see the bezel has lifted from the case. Try pressing it back down into place before anything else?

Yes that is what I also noticed. I will try to push it down again when I get home. I did not push hard the first time. I also saw a video on youtube on how to remove the bezel. It is simple enough but will try to ask seller and RSC before doing anything with it.


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[DarkIpsum]

Originally Posted by t65tampa

Don't feel too bad. I've purchased used Rolex watches in the past and things weren't perfect with them. Hopefully you got a good enough deal on it so that an RSC service will be worthwhile to give you more peace of mind. As long as the watch is all authentic and legitimate, you'll be fine.



The bezel fix is pretty straightforward, but they will likely charge you for a new bezel assembly. I'd be curious about what the speck is on the hour marker. Is it free floating debris or a sign of some shock injury to the watch.

From the first time I saw it, it looks like a gold residue from the hour markers. I will try to look into it later tonight. Ahhh I wish I still have my macro lens. Hahahah


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[Rocket launcher]

If I where you I would return it ...too many problems ..you should get a minter for the money your talking

[DarkIpsum]

Originally Posted by Rocket launcher

If I where you I would return it ...too many problems ..you should get a minter for the money your talking

So far I have not seen a 9k mint flat/smurf version on this forum or auction sites. Usually they go for 10500 and up. Problems are ok as long they are fixable and cheap and will still come out as good buy. But if fixing it will cost more then I will def return it.


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[RoyalOac]

Originally Posted by DarkIpsum

So far I have not seen a 9k mint flat/smurf version on this forum or auction sites. Usually they go for 10500 and up. Problems are ok as long they are fixable and cheap and will still come out as good buy. But if fixing it will cost more then I will def return it.


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I went through a similar situation as you, where I purchased a preowned Daytona with some fixable problems including a chrono case tube that fell off. I did get a great deal on that watch, but I knew I had to invest back into that watch to get it to mint, including an RSC overhaul. However, what I realized was I had a highly desireable, discontinued Daytona and prices will only go up from the price I paid, including the investment to get it to mint. My cost total was a bit less than what the market is selling for a similar conditioned one. My point is, the TT sub will almost never be worth the investment you would put into it to get it to a mint condition. You are better off paying a bit more for a mint conditon from a trusted seller here and not have to worry about the condition.


That dial “stain” is a deal breaker. To fix the horrible brushing and to repair the bezel is bad enough already, the dial is questionable at best, and I would not feel comfortable purchasing it.

[DarkIpsum]

Hello All, Just an update. I manage to go to RSC NYC this morning. They said the watch has been serviced by unauthorized center or person. Whoever did the service did not put it's Initial/signature. Rolex gave me a figure of 700 and up range . but that is just a ball part figure because they will not give me the real estimate without taking the watch apart. Since its been tampered with. there will be a $150 fee (usually free). They can not just fix the bezel and the speck on the marker without doing the whole service thing. If an authorized service center did the previous service. They can just do the bezel and remove the speck / dirt and brush/polish the watch. I will be returning the watch. :) I will be on the market again when I get the refund.

Thank you all for your help and comments.

[RoyalOac]

Originally Posted by DarkIpsum

Hello All, Just an update. I manage to go to RSC NYC this morning. They said the watch has been serviced by unauthorized center or person. Whoever did the service did not put it's Initial/signature. Rolex gave me a figure of 700 and up range . but that is just a ball part figure because they will not give me the real estimate without taking the watch apart. Since its been tampered with. there will be a $150 fee (usually free). They can not just fix the bezel and the speck on the marker without doing the whole service thing. If an authorized service center did the previous service. They can just do the bezel and remove the speck / dirt and brush/polish the watch. I will be returning the watch. :) I will be on the market again when I get the refund.

Thank you all for your help and comments.

I think you made a wise decision. A non Rolex authorized service does not necessarily mean the work will always be bad, but in this case it was, and you will not regret returning it and ponying up a bit more for a mint condition.